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Salvage Drones!
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Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#1 - 2013-02-25 23:53:18 UTC
I really think salvage drones need a buff so that a full flight can basically replace a salvager, my main issue is that they cannot salvage sleeper BS wrecks.

I was thinking of either making a t2 version that when combined with the skill at V would be able to salvage sleeper BS wrecks or alternatively make the access difficulty stack for each drone so that a full flight can salvage the sleeper BS wrecks?

Anyone else agree? I'm not 100% sure that they are unable to salvage sleeper BS wrecks, but I've tried with the skill to IV and a full flight and it doesn't seem to work. This would really help daytripping fits as if you have spare bandwith you can use it for salvage rather than give up an important high.
Alayna Le'line
#2 - 2013-02-26 00:27:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Alayna Le'line
Dato Koppla wrote:
Anyone else agree? I'm not 100% sure that they are unable to salvage sleeper BS wrecks,


Just confirming they can't salvage Sleeper BSs.

Since that was pretty much the only use I have for them (in hi-sec I just use a Noctis) they've turned out to be kinda useless for me.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2013-02-26 01:16:01 UTC
It's an interesting problem. I have an analysis about half cooked up comparing the relative values of salvagers and salvage drones (among other things) but it's not quite ready for prime time.

For now I'll just throw it out: how would you feel about needing larger salvage drones (probably heavies; a preliminary look says that mediums still wouldn't quite cut it balance-wise) to access Sleeper BS wrecks? You'd still only technically need 1, mind you, so it would be the same bandwidth/bay space as a flight of lights.
Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#4 - 2013-02-26 01:31:36 UTC
Well that confirms it very interesting post, thanks for linking. Modules/Rigs are another option but honestly I'd shy away from an additional skill with all the new skills being thrown in. Perhaps even a small buff so that at max skill you can salvage all wrecks (is there anything thats harder to salvage than a Sleeper BS/T2 BS wreck?)
Rivendark
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-02-26 02:26:20 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Well that confirms it very interesting post, thanks for linking. Modules/Rigs are another option but honestly I'd shy away from an additional skill with all the new skills being thrown in. Perhaps even a small buff so that at max skill you can salvage all wrecks (is there anything thats harder to salvage than a Sleeper BS/T2 BS wreck?)



Not that I know of...(cause of course I know everything)
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-02-26 02:30:57 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
It's an interesting problem. I have an analysis about half cooked up comparing the relative values of salvagers and salvage drones (among other things) but it's not quite ready for prime time.

For now I'll just throw it out: how would you feel about needing larger salvage drones (probably heavies; a preliminary look says that mediums still wouldn't quite cut it balance-wise) to access Sleeper BS wrecks? You'd still only technically need 1, mind you, so it would be the same bandwidth/bay space as a flight of lights.


What balance? The fight between you vs wreck has to be balanced?Roll

It's an oversight that needs to be fixed. That's all.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#7 - 2013-02-26 03:54:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhilia Mann
sabre906 wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
It's an interesting problem. I have an analysis about half cooked up comparing the relative values of salvagers and salvage drones (among other things) but it's not quite ready for prime time.

For now I'll just throw it out: how would you feel about needing larger salvage drones (probably heavies; a preliminary look says that mediums still wouldn't quite cut it balance-wise) to access Sleeper BS wrecks? You'd still only technically need 1, mind you, so it would be the same bandwidth/bay space as a flight of lights.


What balance? The fight between you vs wreck has to be balanced?Roll

It's an oversight that needs to be fixed. That's all.


Yeah, actually, balance. It's a matter of whether a flight of light drones should do the work of just 2 high slots (which is roughly where they are now) or 3. Or 4, which is closer to what it would look like if the same drones that could salvage -20% wrecks were let loose on normal BS wrecks.

Edit: this spreadsheet is still kind of rough around the edges but it should give some rough idea of the comparison.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-02-26 04:02:08 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
It's an interesting problem. I have an analysis about half cooked up comparing the relative values of salvagers and salvage drones (among other things) but it's not quite ready for prime time.

For now I'll just throw it out: how would you feel about needing larger salvage drones (probably heavies; a preliminary look says that mediums still wouldn't quite cut it balance-wise) to access Sleeper BS wrecks? You'd still only technically need 1, mind you, so it would be the same bandwidth/bay space as a flight of lights.


What balance? The fight between you vs wreck has to be balanced?Roll

It's an oversight that needs to be fixed. That's all.


Yeah, actually, balance. It's a matter of whether a flight of light drones should do the work of just 2 high slots (which is roughly where they are now) or 3. Or 4, which is closer to what it would look like if the same drones that could salvage -20% wrecks were let loose on normal BS wrecks.

Edit: this spreadsheet is still kind of rough around the edges but it should give some rough idea of the comparison.


But... but... the wrecks still don't stand a chance, how's that a fair fight?Lol

Balance exist between 2 parties in a fight. The noctis don't balance onto itself. It's far better at salvaging than the next best salvager boat, which does not make it unbalanced - it's simply working as intended at cleaning up space trash. Salvager drones should also be fixed so they work as intended - salvage.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-02-26 04:13:53 UTC
I propose Savage Salvage Drones for the sleepers.

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