Science & Industry

7) because i bet i can store my hulk in my orca quicker than you can pop it.

oh also, good luck fitting anything other than a small extender when you only have about 7 powergrid left.

Well, TBH, you cant really tank hulks and macks, or retrivers and that other large barge. Or yeah, you can put something on them, but all that changes is that it wil take 2 dessies instead of one to gank it or if solo the ganker just has to use Vextor instead.

so with that out of the way the miner has not much point sacrificing the yield byt 10% or more while STILL going down when attacked. So they dont. They just cross their fingers and hope that its not that day when their number comes up. Statistically, most of the time, they are right. Unless someone takes into their head to pop one specific miner every few days in which case should he petition there might, or might not be a discussion with GM about what can be considered "harassing".

retriever with 3 mlus

3.6% more yield, about 20% of the cost.

PLENTY OF EXCUSES
starting with; why pay more and receive less?

also your ehp on your first mackinaw fit is way off. which implies your second fit is also wrong.

Yield. That's the only reason. You don't have to worry about rats in empire.

In null I have a substandard tank but it really doesn't matter, I get caught there I'm going to lose my hulk regardless. Funny you say a small extender and a shield booster doesn't make a tank...that's what I use but I can usually tank BS rats solo with it heh.

Mackinaw with 2x MLU + DC is as good as a Mackinaw with 3x MLU! You know why, because Mackinaw is mainly used for mainly afk-mining due to it's big ore cargo hold. So I don't care about theoretically (!) max yield. I check my miner from time to time and if strip miner has finished I just put it on a new asteroid. So while using to have nearly doubled EHP most gankers will not engage me as I am not on their list, like thread opener explained, because they can destroy 2 Mackinaws with the same amount of destroyers than my ones! So most do not care about my exhumers, even when they stay in a system in a belt afk for 2-3 hours when I just forget them.

And if you / I don't mine afk I use Hulks in mining fleets. And for them max yield may count most times, but even then you can put some tank on them, not much, but some!
I prefer not to mine in well frequented systems and I avoid systems with ICE belts, because often gankers will be looking there first and they often promise easy targets. In 2.5 years I had never to bother any gank attack except during Hulkageddon 2 times which I by the way survived as well as those who tried didn't used ship scannes before. I am sure about this, otherwise they should have been aware in advance, that their attempts where condemned to fail 100%.

Being as ignorant to not read the explaination why makes you look like you think no end of yourself!

if you mine 100% active including checking your Survey Scanner every strip miner cycle yes, a 3rd MLU makes sense. But a lot of Retrievers / Makinaws in the belts doesn't work that way. Easy to recognise when their strip miners are not working for a period of time.

So next time first read.

And by the way I didn't wanted to make your replies look stupid, but as you tried it with my post here it comes:

Your stupid 3.6% better Retriever compared to a tanked Mackinaw is far more senseless. A Mackinaw has a much higher cargo space, therefore can stay much longer in the belt without unloading! This increases it's real yield and in addition to that it is tanked and is not on the list of gankes like the friend of thread opener!

And a Mackinaw has a Drone by of 50m3, which allows him to carre 5 combat drones and 5 Mining drones. So when actively mining you can easily use 5x Mining Drones II, which yields another 300m3 and more approximately per minute and then outperforms your Retriever so much more, you don't really want to know! Mining drones is approx. 3M ISK more per hour (rounded down!). So if I take the drones and extra yield (5%) into consideration after only 100 hours of mining, which is not really much to be honest, my Mackinaw has paid out. This means if my Mackinaws are not ganked every 100-eve-playtime-hours I win against your Retriever. You can't use mining drones II, then use Mining Drones I. It will just take a little longer on Drone Interfacing IV and Mining Drones IV, which is skilled quite fast.

And if you compare it to a 3x MLU Mackinaw, what makes sense (!) your answer looks even more useless.

And if we take into consideration how often a miner is ganked in his eve-career if he following some simple rules, your answer is ... you know what I mean.

PS: But coming back to thread openers question: I am also wondering why a lot of Mining ships are not tanked, even when they have enough PG/CPU left, because if you check killmails you sometimes see Hulks with just T1 strip miners and without MLUs and so on. There are so many completely unbelievable stupid fittings out their on the killboards I am sometimes just ask myself the same question: Why ... really whyyyyy? But that's on other killmails with non-mining ships as well quite often the case. I think it's maybe better not to really ask for the reasons. You may be shocked by the honest and real answer on this question most probably?!?

[Mackinaw, Mining]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
[empty low slot]

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II,
Modulated Strip Miner II,

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5


25,543 EHP


This survived a well fit 3 box catalyst team in .6 space. Got down to 80% hull before concord vaporized them.

I won't field a mack until the toon in question can fit at least all the T1 versions of the respective fittings.

Because Ret's are a lot less time to train than a Mack/Hulk is? Ret's are a more newbie friendly mining ship. Plus a lot of botters / multi boxers use ret's because its less training time and they are running 3+ miners at once anyways

Yes! And it's exactly more or less the ratio in our corp. All the ones, who are not focusing on mining have trained mining barge to Level 3 or 4 and when the mine from time to time they use Retriever and especially at the beginning when every ISK counts you do not invest in Mackinaw for a few % more yield. For them as trader, explorer, mission runner or whatsoever it's not worth to train Exhumers, expecially not in the beginning. They just skill rapidly Mining Barge to attend mining operations or do some afk-isk-mining when they are not at the keyboard.

As stated above already: You are ignorant.

And now just stop posting bullshit. You didn't even replied to one of my points why your replies are just plain dumb. I know why, because you know I am right in every single point, but you can't accept that as you think you are Mr. Eve.

And I use a more expensive ship when mining afk to mine more (because of higher ore cargo hold!!!) not because it mines a little slower. And when I mine actively it is mining much more than your simple retriever fit. But this I have explained already in detail above. Seems you are too dumb or too ignorant to understand and accept this. Sorry for being so direct.