Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Currently it reduces the cap need for weapons that use cap... this is about 30% of all wepaon systems.

To fix this and achieve the same goal, have it increase damage by 25% but reduce rate of fire by 25%. This would reduce ammo consumption as well as cap consumption so all weapon systems would see a benefit.

The two weapon systems which depend on this skill the most already have the highest DPS in the game. Some other change would be nice but not damage increase (yes, I fly mostly minmatar and I'm against this idea!!).

And then nobody would train it.

Reduced ROF is undesirable for many weapons, even with the added benefit of increased damage per volley.
It may come out to the same DPS but there are a few side effects.
An arty maelstrom for example might do a lot more damage per volley, but it will also have to wait longer between shots, and training the skill can't be undone.



Besides, it's not like Controlled Bursts is the only turret support skill that helps certain turrets more than others.

Controlled Bursts: helps lasers much more than hybrids, and doesn't help projectiles at all.
Trajectory Analysis: Helps projectiles and hybrids quite a bit, not so much lasers (poor falloff to begin with)
Sharpshooting: Helps all LR weapons pretty much equally, but for CR weapons it helps lasers more than hybrids or projectiles since both of those tend to have very poor optimals to begin with.
Motion Prediction: Not nearly as helpful on LR weapons as it is on CR weapons.

My bad.

You would be right insofar as it would increase volley damage across the board however, which would make artillery even more powerful than it already is. But at the cost of taking longer to go between targets. For a fully skilled Maelstrom this would add up to about 4.5 more seconds between each shot with 1400mm arties.

Also, there's no need to apologize.

25% ROF does not cancel with 25% damage in terms of DPS.

You would actually loose damage.

Wrong. Read above.

You're thinking of a separate situation where a -25% ROF does more than +25 damage.

This is +25% ROF, not minus.

In other words, what you're thinking of is how (D + 25%)/R is not the same as D/(R - 25%)
More specifically, it's (D * 1.25) / R and D/(R * 0.75). Not the same result.


The situation here is (D * 1.25) / (R * 1.25). 1.25 cancels itself out. You get D/R. Same damage.

This is why eve should say "weapon cycle time", not "rate of fire", which is the reciprocal of cycle time.

You see, increasing the cycle time 25% means that your rate of fire is 80% of what it previously was
1/1.25 = 0.8 *100% = 80% -> a 20% penalty to rate of fire. Of course, when specifying percentages, one must specify what 100% is

Add cap consumption for projectiles. Fixed.

you 2 are eviil....admit it, you want want to fill more cups with the tears of cane pilots. Not a bad thing....it be quite entertaining tbh lol.



I will give op a 10/10 for this one. Its not a sp/cloak/ now tank wars bait thread. All I ask for is originality. A bait thread about a minmatar pilot not having to train a skill to get all those other gun skills learned sooner and it being a problem for them has met that. He is like a machine gun, he puts out alot of missed rounds, but some do hit a target at some point lol.