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More Regions or a Second Server?
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feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#41 - 2013-02-25 12:49:32 UTC
Nova Satar wrote:
It's rare to find any lowsec areas with less than 10 people every other system


Strangely I find the complete opposite. Lowsec is mostly dead.

If you keep an eye on the political situation in EvE you can often take advantage of alliances being deployed elsewhere to run into their space. You will find lots of empty systems. Stay away from any systems with stations, dead ends and busy jump bridges and you're golden.

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
Hurtini Hilitari
Doomheim
#42 - 2013-02-25 13:18:34 UTC
No second server.

More low sec systems, yes Big smile

If you think it's mostly dead you can't have travelled through most of it that much. Just because it's quieter than high sec does not make it dead.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-02-25 13:19:47 UTC
I have a lot of friends who say they'd play EvE if the server was ever fully rebooted.

I'd join them.

Hello, hello again.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#44 - 2013-02-25 14:00:33 UTC
Degren wrote:
I have a lot of friends who say they'd play EvE if the server was ever fully rebooted.

I'd join them.


Do they also refuse to get a job until everyone who already has one is killed first?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-02-25 14:02:38 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Degren wrote:
I have a lot of friends who say they'd play EvE if the server was ever fully rebooted.

I'd join them.


Do they also refuse to get a job until everyone who already has one is killed first?


No. They just like games that have a bunch of frigates frantically trying to take space and a ripe economy.

But that was pretty cute, too.

Hello, hello again.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#46 - 2013-02-25 14:04:23 UTC
Nova Satar wrote:
Ohishi wrote:
Nova Satar wrote:
Ohishi wrote:

There are lots of dead low sec areas.


Name one?

Miroona.


Miroona isn't a region, it's a system. It's a land locked system surrounded by high. The region is Kor-Azor which is most definitely not quiet. Fly yourself through the main bulk of it tonight and i assure you that you will die a horrible ECM based death.


This used to be true because we lived there. Then we moved. It may not be true anymore.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#47 - 2013-02-25 14:08:46 UTC
Ammatar (Derelik) and I believe Khanid were added shortly before I started playing.

It is possible.

And yes, the game 'feels' completely different than it did 3 years ago to me. Even 12 months ago, my area was dead, dead, dead. Now it's practically like Caldari.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Yogsoloth
Call of Cuthulu
#48 - 2013-02-25 14:25:43 UTC
Id make the exact opposite argument.

There are vast swaths of empty space that serve virtually no purpose at all. I'd much prefer to see whole systems get swallowed up and disappear entirely. EVE is an MMO the primary idea behind MMO's is the massive multi-player part where you interact with other players positively or negatively, working with each other or against each other. There are still plenty of places players can go off exploring on their own for hours or days at a time without being bothered if that's their play style.
seany1212
M Y S T
#49 - 2013-02-25 14:32:41 UTC
Derelik, Devoid, Khanid, Aridia, all mostly devoid (haha) of life, and you can sit there and spout crap about how they're all populated by at least 1 person but if you're after a region empty of life you're in the wrong game because you are more than likely not the only person who wishes to live in a lifeless system.

Also, of course there are people camping entry systems, if you think there are people who do not capitalize on everyone funneling through one set of gates you're a moron.

Also, also, EVE has many servers that make up the vast space we call tranquility, or you could go play on singularity or buckingham (the dusty one?)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#50 - 2013-02-25 14:34:30 UTC
Yogsoloth wrote:
Id make the exact opposite argument.

There are vast swaths of empty space that serve virtually no purpose at all. I'd much prefer to see whole systems get swallowed up and disappear entirely. EVE is an MMO the primary idea behind MMO's is the massive multi-player part where you interact with other players positively or negatively, working with each other or against each other.


Why do you hate empty space so much? You say they serve "no purpose" but should that be "I don't know what purpose they serve"?

Yogsoloth wrote:
There are still plenty of places players can go off exploring on their own for hours or days at a time without being bothered if that's their play style.


Well yes, but there wouldn't be 'plenty of places' if all the "empty" systems were deleted, would there?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#51 - 2013-02-25 14:36:27 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Ammatar (Derelik) and I believe Khanid were added shortly before I started playing.

It is possible.

And yes, the game 'feels' completely different than it did 3 years ago to me. Even 12 months ago, my area was dead, dead, dead. Now it's practically like Caldari.


Is that good or bad? On the whole, it seems like it would be a good thing to me.


Incidentally, part of my CSM platform is to present the case to CCP for another region of NPC 0.0 in the north like Curse - lots of stations, several empire enterences, plenty of facilities for new corps to gain a toehold in 0.0. Vote me!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#52 - 2013-02-25 14:36:55 UTC
Nova Satar wrote:
Ohishi wrote:

There are lots of dead low sec areas.


Name one?

Molden Heath.
Genesis Lowsec
Maybe also Aridia?

Not dead regions, be lots and lots of empty systems with free room for more players.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#53 - 2013-02-25 15:12:48 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
Derelik, Devoid, Khanid, Aridia, all mostly devoid (haha) of life......


Erm....have you actually checked the Map in the last 24 months ? There is no such thing as empty high sec.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#54 - 2013-02-25 15:14:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Malcanis wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Ammatar (Derelik) and I believe Khanid were added shortly before I started playing.

It is possible.

And yes, the game 'feels' completely different than it did 3 years ago to me. Even 12 months ago, my area was dead, dead, dead. Now it's practically like Caldari.


Is that good or bad? On the whole, it seems like it would be a good thing to me.




Unless one wants to get up at 6AM EST almost all resources for Industrialists are now farmed out or it's already starting.
(edit: Bad for the new players as a lot of the time there is seriously nothing to do but Mission Grinding...hardly a way to keep new players subscribed).

I'm not sure what the folks out here are doing who log on in the afternoon and evening except AFK Ice Mining.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2013-02-25 15:19:43 UTC
Nova Satar wrote:
There must be others like me who feel that EVE just doesn't feel like it used to. No empty space to explore or quiet hunting lands to roam, it doesnt feel BIG anymore and i think a game set in space probably should.... It's rare to find any lowsec areas with less than 10 people every other system and empire is just a clusterfuck. Null has some space sure, but you can't get to it without having to go through some massively congested areas so that argument is non exsistant.

I'd be surprised if those who remember the servers at 35,000 max would say it's better now at 60,000...

The question is, could extra regions help this, or could there even be the possibility of a second server?


While I admit there are times that Eve feels too small, adding a second shared is a non-starter. The single shard universe is what makes Eve unique in the MMO arena (at least to my knowledge), and that is something that needs to be retained, regardless of how Eve grows.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Kobal81
HR..
#56 - 2013-02-25 15:21:17 UTC
Nova Satar wrote:
There must be others like me who feel that EVE just doesn't feel like it used to. No empty space to explore or quiet hunting lands to roam, it doesnt feel BIG anymore and i think a game set in space probably should.... It's rare to find any lowsec areas with less than 10 people every other system and empire is just a clusterfuck. Null has some space sure, but you can't get to it without having to go through some massively congested areas so that argument is non exsistant.

I'd be surprised if those who remember the servers at 35,000 max would say it's better now at 60,000...

The question is, could extra regions help this, or could there even be the possibility of a second server?



Get out and recycle yourself

"Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit"
Nova Satar
Pator Tech School
#57 - 2013-02-25 15:32:02 UTC
I guess from all the single shard replies i should clarify, i wouldn't see it has a second server that people can just switch between and log onto whichever they prefer. You'd either be on one or another, and that's that. It's still a single shard and sandbox style game, but it just fixes what i believe is a population problem.

The same way we can't log onto the Chinese Server, this doesn't take away from "what makes eve great" so why would a second server for the 1st world.
Djana Libra
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-02-25 15:50:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Djana Libra
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Come to solitude, it's all quiet and stuff and I have no idea why


Yeah thats a very quiet area, used to live there.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2013-02-25 15:53:53 UTC
Nova Satar wrote:
I guess from all the single shard replies i should clarify, i wouldn't see it has a second server that people can just switch between and log onto whichever they prefer. You'd either be on one or another, and that's that. It's still a single shard and sandbox style game, but it just fixes what i believe is a population problem.

The same way we can't log onto the Chinese Server, this doesn't take away from "what makes eve great" so why would a second server for the 1st world.


The Chinese server exists because of politics and real life laws, not because of anything to do with the game population.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
monkfish2345
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-02-25 15:55:11 UTC
I don't really see what the purpose of adding more systems would be right now.

currently eve has 7500~ systems including wormholes. even if you distributed the player base evenly across it all that's 8?.. per system. and that's before how you consider actual distribution between high, low and null.

low sec is really the only place where i can understand an argument for expansion because of the introduction of FW resulting in it becoming far more densely populated. (Note this is one of the reasons FW was introduced).

CCP has been pushing to get people out of empire for a long time now, and the reason behind that is that 0.0 is so quiet for the most part. there are various reasons for that. but to say we are need of more space seems a little pointless.
like i said previously the bigger issue is making what space we have worth visiting, worth owning, worth fighting for.

at the end of the day what do you think would happen if new space was introduced?.... within weeks alliances would move in and claim the space as their own, the systems with decent numbers of belts would have the odd ratter and the rest would be left empty apart from Moon mining POS or logistic POSs. Fairly quickly everyone just looks at it as another un-accessible area of space.

all that said the idea if they were to introduce new space for it to be beyond the WH void would be interesting. it would present a whole new set of issues for anyone wanting to live there. and maybe encourage a more permanent presence in the space, sub economies etc.