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Fix bloody NPC aggro switching
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Quintessen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#161 - 2013-02-23 14:42:21 UTC
L0rdF1end wrote:
Onomerous wrote:
This thread is great entertainment... PVP'ers asking CCP to make it safer for them to gank PVE'ers. In NS no less!! Along with the cries about AFK cloaking, I'm beginning to think the concept of NS being for the 'real men' is just a bunch of smoke and mirrors!! ;)

Systems appears to be working just fine. Adapt so you can get your kills some other way.


Glad you enjoy the entertainment, meanwhile I'll continue to request "actual" AI.

If that can't be achieved then a ruleset that doesn't assist one party over the other.


It's not assisting one party of the other. It's treating you equally as the space scum they believe you to be. You go into a bad part of town as an outsider and expect the people there to treat you as one of their own because you're also beating on the person they're beating on... No. You're still an outside and should still be burned at the stake.

The thing is now they're finally treating you the same. It's already like what you're asking for. What you want is for it to go back to the way it was before where the first person on scene was treated differently.
L0rdF1end
Tactical Grace.
Vanguard.
#162 - 2013-02-23 15:46:00 UTC
Quintessen wrote:

The thing is now they're finally treating you the same. It's already like what you're asking for. What you want is for it to go back to the way it was before where the first person on scene was treated differently.


No, that's not what im asking for, Im asking for actual AI.

If I was killing your friend and some random showed up, you had a gun, who would you shoot?
Quintessen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#163 - 2013-02-23 22:23:50 UTC
L0rdF1end wrote:
Quintessen wrote:

The thing is now they're finally treating you the same. It's already like what you're asking for. What you want is for it to go back to the way it was before where the first person on scene was treated differently.


No, that's not what im asking for, Im asking for actual AI.

If I was killing your friend and some random showed up, you had a gun, who would you shoot?


You need to get into the mindset of the criminal. The pirates aren't good guys. They're the ones robbing the bank. Anyone new who wasn't part of the original rob-the-bank crew is going to be considered the enemy. They're not going to wait for you to get into optimum position. They're going to take you out immediately based on who in front of them looks nastier. While not perfect, it's alright.
L0rdF1end
Tactical Grace.
Vanguard.
#164 - 2013-02-25 13:06:42 UTC
Quintessen wrote:
L0rdF1end wrote:
Quintessen wrote:

The thing is now they're finally treating you the same. It's already like what you're asking for. What you want is for it to go back to the way it was before where the first person on scene was treated differently.


No, that's not what im asking for, Im asking for actual AI.

If I was killing your friend and some random showed up, you had a gun, who would you shoot?


You need to get into the mindset of the criminal. The pirates aren't good guys. They're the ones robbing the bank. Anyone new who wasn't part of the original rob-the-bank crew is going to be considered the enemy. They're not going to wait for you to get into optimum position. They're going to take you out immediately based on who in front of them looks nastier. While not perfect, it's alright.


I dont need to get into the mindset of anything. Its not logical or AI and its game breaking.
Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#165 - 2013-02-25 13:15:24 UTC
There's nothing wrong with the current system. Adapt and continue to prosper.
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#166 - 2013-02-25 13:18:47 UTC
So you're attacking a ship that's obviously already going to be damaged yet you expect CCP's sympathy?

Good luck with that.

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
Quintessen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#167 - 2013-02-25 15:09:13 UTC
L0rdF1end wrote:
Quintessen wrote:
L0rdF1end wrote:
Quintessen wrote:

The thing is now they're finally treating you the same. It's already like what you're asking for. What you want is for it to go back to the way it was before where the first person on scene was treated differently.


No, that's not what im asking for, Im asking for actual AI.

If I was killing your friend and some random showed up, you had a gun, who would you shoot?


You need to get into the mindset of the criminal. The pirates aren't good guys. They're the ones robbing the bank. Anyone new who wasn't part of the original rob-the-bank crew is going to be considered the enemy. They're not going to wait for you to get into optimum position. They're going to take you out immediately based on who in front of them looks nastier. While not perfect, it's alright.


I dont need to get into the mindset of anything. Its not logical or AI and its game breaking.


So you don't need to think about the mindset of the intelligence that you're trying to model artificially? Sounds like a recipe for success.

There's nothing big wrong with the burn the world NPCs. Perhaps the hi-sec factions should behave differently, but pirates who hate you both, should kill you both.

Also basic logic dictates that if everyone is your target, then you take down the easiest to kill first.

Also technically you're a pirate too right? You're competition. Frankly you should be shoot on site just for being a pirate who doesn't belong to their faction who is honing in on their territory.

Rival gangs may both hate the cops, but they also hate each other right? Let's just say if you're not wearing their particular gang colors you're the enemy.
Iminent Penance
Your Mom's Boyfriends
#168 - 2013-03-02 04:42:09 UTC
Quintessen wrote:
L0rdF1end wrote:
Quintessen wrote:
L0rdF1end wrote:
Quintessen wrote:

The thing is now they're finally treating you the same. It's already like what you're asking for. What you want is for it to go back to the way it was before where the first person on scene was treated differently.


No, that's not what im asking for, Im asking for actual AI.

If I was killing your friend and some random showed up, you had a gun, who would you shoot?


You need to get into the mindset of the criminal. The pirates aren't good guys. They're the ones robbing the bank. Anyone new who wasn't part of the original rob-the-bank crew is going to be considered the enemy. They're not going to wait for you to get into optimum position. They're going to take you out immediately based on who in front of them looks nastier. While not perfect, it's alright.


I dont need to get into the mindset of anything. Its not logical or AI and its game breaking.


So you don't need to think about the mindset of the intelligence that you're trying to model artificially? Sounds like a recipe for success.

There's nothing big wrong with the burn the world NPCs. Perhaps the hi-sec factions should behave differently, but pirates who hate you both, should kill you both.

Also basic logic dictates that if everyone is your target, then you take down the easiest to kill first.

Also technically you're a pirate too right? You're competition. Frankly you should be shoot on site just for being a pirate who doesn't belong to their faction who is honing in on their territory.

Rival gangs may both hate the cops, but they also hate each other right? Let's just say if you're not wearing their particular gang colors you're the enemy.



QUIT LOSING LOGIC. Eve is about killboards, capital ships, and making it easier for bad pvpers who cry the loudest.

You are a fool for DARING to suggest anything otherwise
Mag's
Azn Empire
#169 - 2013-03-02 09:15:32 UTC
L0rdF1end wrote:
Quintessen wrote:

The thing is now they're finally treating you the same. It's already like what you're asking for. What you want is for it to go back to the way it was before where the first person on scene was treated differently.


No, that's not what im asking for, Im asking for actual AI.

If I was killing your friend and some random showed up, you had a gun, who would you shoot?
If I was shooting someone, not getting very far and a weaker ship showed up, I'd shoot the weaker ship. Sounds like it's working right tbh.

While the going was good, many took full advantage of NPC none AI before. Now it's time to adapt to the new AI in town and change your MO.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#170 - 2013-03-02 09:30:02 UTC
Haven't read the whole thread but
What if the shoe is on the other foot? A neutral warps in with you and starts shooting the rats, what will you do? Allow them to continue to shoot the rats with you or attack them?

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#171 - 2013-03-02 11:36:27 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Haven't read the whole thread but
What if the shoe is on the other foot? A neutral warps in with you and starts shooting the rats, what will you do? Allow them to continue to shoot the rats with you or attack them?

Since most pve ships don't carry points they're better off moving or continuing to rat

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2013-03-02 18:22:36 UTC
the ai change is just fine.

If you want to attack someone in a site guess what you have to deal with the rats. The rats now will change targets tot he ship they think might die before they are taken out.

IT no more of the ill hold this person here and let the rats do the work. You ganker have to work more on kill that person now so what stop your crying no one cares.


Grow up move on ccp changed the ai for many reason and well live it with no more its safe to warp in and get a free kill mail.

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