Wormholes

That's just ridiculous and self-righteous. No one wants to get evicted, and people will always do ANYTHING they can to fend off an eviction, including batphoning everyone they know. If people don't call friends when faced with eviction, it's only because they don't have any.

It's not only that you lose most of your stuff when evicted. The simple pain of spending weeks setting up in a new home, or resettling the old home, with all the tedious logistics involved, makes it a nightmare.

Not batphoning when faced with eviction would be totally stupid, it's that simple. Even if Bitten's main goal was not eviction, what if they had gotten their epic fight and won, and had their large fleet in the enemy home system with the defenders' fleet destroyed? Would they just go, or not rather raze everything to the ground while they were already there? Or ask for a huge ransom? Why would anyone take that risk with all their stuff on the line, while the aggressors have only their invasion fleet at risk?

I personally hoped for an actual goodfite... We NoHo(note not NORCORP) didnt bring that many guys in, afaik about 20 subcaps.
I very much dislike the blobbing it almost always turns into and tend not to log in for such "fights". But when we(NoHo) went in we were the only ones who were supposed to help, at that point in time others decided not intervene, now keep in mind im a grunt and i dont know all the ins and outs of it all but that's what i heard anyway.

Now on the goodfite part. Bite me was reported to have 11 dreads and 2-3 carriers if i remember correct, our friends from Frozen Dawn said they could field 8 dreads and about 5 carriers(now they may have more caps, but afaik we werent offered some to fly for the fight) we brought 21 subcaps, FD i would suspect had around 20-30 i very much doubt they had many more. Bite me had at least 20 subs i would suspect(or so intel said).
Now it was expected that if a fight would occur it would in deep US tz, roughly at the same time the towers got reinforced. And while FD had evenish numbers with Bite Me from the get go, FD is mostly EU they could never field evenish numbers out of timezone.

Where as it all escalated and Bite me got overwhelemed number wise pretty quickly a few hours later.. I prayed personally for it not to happen but such is life. And being objective about it, given the odds Bite me decided to pull out. I can respect that as i can respect FD for asking for help(for whatever reasons) after all it's in human nature to at least try and stack the odds in your favour.

As for other references to Hard Knocks for example, again afaik, we(NoHo) went there for a good fight not to evict Hard Knocks. The fact that it escalated almost to nullsec blob proportions i am pretty sure most WH residents did dislike but such is life.

In the hope of good fights to come more than a few times a year and less of the "Oh look a K162, oh look they put some mass through it and its a mexican standoff again,yay" I'd suggest to all possible parties involved to at least try and keep it in a mutual static as it would probably be the most fun for everyone involved :D

Hey guys!

Was away for the weekend, did I miss anything?

Really, invasions are a risk you take when you step into WH space, and after "they" started this thread (and honestly, it might have been still up in the air at that point)
But yes, there was a real risk of getting evicted for them, if there was no risk, why on earth would they fight?



Personally, im here for the fights, but i wouldnt have batted an eye at evicting them after a fight, again, its a risk you take.



If such a deal was struck, it would have been honored, instead a forum post was made to call us out, and they still batphoned.



Uh no, here in lies your mistake, we showed all we had, in hopes of getting a fight (they severely outnumbered us) we where there for a challenge, not a gank.
We could have easily dropped them while doing sites, we choose not to, we choose to siege their towers to provoke a real and fair fight, yet the space police dropped by and said it wasnt meant to be, and all i say is, not at that time, and that place.



You are full of it, without risk, there's no reward, and if we hadnt put their asses over a fire, they would have never fought.
We tried once before, and where cap blobbed, we wanted a fight where we felt we where atleast on even footing.

You must be confused, I'm merely stating that if there was a credible threat, read as 15 capitals into their system, then they can't exactly be faulted for batphoning.

I just broke it down so it had slightly more content than the above sentence.

I'm simply playing devils advocate here, I could care less what happens outside of my home system.

But to point out the obvious, in terms of risk vs reward, in a level playing field, Arctic Light had a lot more potential risk, and you had a lot more potential reward. I'll answer the question before it gets asked. Had it been a 1 on 1 fight, and you lost, you simply go back home and farm. Had it been a 1 on 1 fight and you won, they would have lost all of their assets.

They had more at stake than you and they took actions they felt appropriate to ensure their livelihood.

I will agree with you that the OP is a bit cocky given that they batponed.

Not sure where 15 came from, for anyone willing to do a little research, the entire cap fleet we took was visible on a tower killmail.

Not long after DT the following morning, I remember counting them having 6 Moros, 8 Revs, 5 Archons, 3 Chimera + subcaps. Being that it was their home system, I'm sure they had more available. Of course they needed backup to take us.

I disagree entirely that they had more at risk.

We had a limited number of players (with varying timezone coverage), a limited number of ships (easier to make a counter for people who are restricted to a single set-up), did not have control of the static (so no way of brining podded players back in).

So outnumbered, outgunned, and at tactical and logistical disadvantage, we took the fight to them. We tested their mettle and they buckled.

From our perspective, here's how it went.
This is speculation, but we reckon it all started with this http://arcli.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16278492
TunaKross apparently wanted to retaliate losing his Bhaalgorn by evicting us.

On 12.2. the first three Bitten. capitals arrived. At this point, we were thrilled to have an opportunity for a capital fight. We considered it being a mercenary operation, or an eviction attempt, but decided that probably they are just looking for a fight, which was a welcome idea for us. Late during the night, when the majority of us had logged off, they shot some of our customs offices to reinforced state. We were expecting to get fight after the timer ended.

On 13.2. we prevented Bitten. Orca from entering and got our own spies to their home system. The kill mail about Teme Teme is about this incident, which also reveals some intel about Bitten. subcap fleet we were against. The Orca got us suspicious, and we also begun monitoring other WH alliance killboards, and doing other intelligence gathering activities, to decipher whether Bitten. were alone on this endeavor or not. Everything pointed to them being on this alone, and the internal discussions about whether this is an eviction attempt continued, and were actually further fueled by the appearance of Orca, but we still ended up expecting a "regular" fight. Worth to note is, that Bitten. also had some help. They had also members of Hobos with a Railgun -corporation with their fleet in our wormhole. We also learned, that they have a POS at Bitten. homesystem. Therefore, we knew now that Bitten. was not alone with this.

14.2.-16.2. keeping our vigilance up. Following Bitten. rolling WH's at their hole. We were really expecting to fight on Thursday 14.2. and Saturday 16.2., but Bitten. fleet mostly stayed logged off. We believed we had most of them on our watchlists by this time.

19.2. We managed to collapse WH behind one of their scouts, which was the only highpoint of the whole episode during the first week. The intelligence gathering continues, and we're wondering what ARE they up to, not looking for a fight and not engaging or even harassing us when we're doing sites or even mining.

22.2. More capitals incoming. By our calculations there were now 9 capitals. After the majority of our fleet logged off, they attacked all our POSes putting them to reinforced state, from the killmails we read there were 11 dreads, 2 carriers and several subcaps. We didn't have enough force at this time to counter a fleet that strong. We were and are comfortable of meeting such a fleet on an even ground, but knowing Bitten. reputation of not usually fighting except when they are certain to win, we believed that they either had very strong unseen reserves or strong help incoming. Since this was our home system, we didn't want to take any chances of what such escalations might cause. We were now rather convinced that this was an eviction attempt.

Now, this coincided with a LAN event of ours, which we had booked 22.-24.2. We had about 15 of us in the same premises, playing EVE, going to sauna and drinking heavily. I think we had a meeting around the time our first POS went reinforced, and had a brilliant idea of making me write this forum post. The details are somewhat blurry, but I think the original idea behind this was to announce that a big part of Bitten. forces are out of their home system, and that if somebody would like to exploit this, it would put some additional pressure on Bitten. thus helping us at the same time.

23.2. right after DT we went to shoot the two Bitten. POSes to reinforced. Not meeting any resistance. Some time after this reinforcing, the first two of our POSes come out of reinforcement, and we prepare for a fight with caps. No fighting ensues during the repping. This seemed really odd to us, and got us convinced that they didn't want just fight, but wanted to evict us. Up until this point we really were expecting to be handling this by ourselves, with only modest help from some smaller corporations. The contacts before this were to get better intel about whether we're facing just Bitten, and what are their intentions.

Around this time the first of our temporary allies begin arriving. Here we're talking about 10 subcaps, mostly our countrymen who wanted to get a piece of the action. This event was highlighted by this kill http://arcli.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16515866 Apparently he was cloaked at our hole, and was unfortunately revealed when our fleet warped in.

At this time, the first official contacts to major WH alliances were made at 23.2. around 17:30 EVE time, stating, that we might be in need of an assistance facing an apparent and immediate eviction action by unknown force.

A bit later in the day, after some further subcap reinforcements from our temporary allies, and after our next POSes come out of reinf timer, we again prepare for a fight with caps. We begin repping our POSes and a big Bitten. fleet is apparently on stand-by judging by the number of their scout presence, but they are not engaging.

25.2. Providing another fighting chance just with subcaps fleet attacking Bitten. staging POSes. These fights took place on Monday morning at around 5:00 and 7:00 our time, so they were not ideal times for us by a long shot, and the timing was chosen by Bitten., but we're still not getting a fight.

It was somewhat a letdown that Bitten. fielded their fleet every time only after the majority of us logged off. It's difficult for us to believe, that this would have been a coincidence every time. Therefore, I wouldn't consider it as a fair statement, when Bitten. insists, that it was them who brought the fight to us. From our perspective, this was expected, and even desired, but never happened.

Eventually, Bitten. started to retreat, self destructing some of their fleet and that's about it.

Wow.. How can this thread be so long about absolutely nothing. Nothing did happen there tbh, we came in with a cap fleet. Reinforced poses. Artic light batphoned. We jumped out. End of story.

These kind of threads never goes anywhere. Just endless flamewars.

And oxanderlone, these numbers of yours are just silly and plain wrong.

Please Read everything i wrote... and note that we only brought 20 characters :) if we brought actualy 940 chars it would have been a sight to see tbh... And AHARM chose not to get involved at first... they only decided to come after we got in AFAIK. Keep in mind i'm only a grunt and i dont know much.