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So, i understand that if you cant win from ISN you try things

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Bane Andven
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-02-25 09:40:37 UTC
Of course you will.
But I won´t because ISN is known for ganking and griefing.

Btw: no comments in Charadrass last post? I didn´t mean to stop you. Was just promising more entertainment :)

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Another interesting thing was the suicide gank on Charadrass. It was executed by Shiva.
But as it just happens, those were all ISN pilots, some of which were FCs. In fact it was officially endorsed and encouraged by Noble Ranger. Of course people were told to keep that to Command Channel on TS only. They wouldn't want people to know that ISN has absolutely lost their neutrality and moral high ground by endorsing and promoting suicide ganks of people you don't like.


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[ 2013.02.14 14:45:31 ] -name- > ok and what was about charadrass?
[ 2013.02.14 14:46:44 ] ganker > Charadrass That goes looong way back .
[ 2013.02.14 14:49:42 ] ganker > He came to ISN more then a year ago.Learned how to do Assauls and copied our fits.Then ****** off and made his box fleets and claimed that he made all the fits.Once DIN grew into HQ's he constantly brings his boxes on grid to blob the contest


Anything to that? I hope you didn´t miss Charadrass´ post. Sorry for highjacking if you did :)
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#22 - 2013-02-25 10:04:22 UTC
I am aware that you were targeted for a gank, and I am also aware that nobody in ISN agreed to be part of it, so take your persecution complex to a thread that cares.

Any animosity you have earned you have brought on yourself, and the dificulties you are having with Incursions is 100% self inflicted.

And no I don't spend 1.8 billion per site lost, but since your so in tune with ISN's command channel comunications and chats it would seem we are more important to you, than you are to us.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Charadrass
Angry Germans
#23 - 2013-02-25 10:08:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Charadrass
that information comes from an ISN FC.
and obviously ISN is in need of a crying thread. DIN is not.

we can make that into a bigger penis contest. but i can tell you.
whenever ISN build an HQ fleet. We will be there to Blob you.
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#24 - 2013-02-25 10:13:11 UTC
Well hope that goes well for you, all other attempts to acctually affect ISN has found you wanting. After all it is the evolution if EVE if you cant win bring more, and more , and more. but are you really winning? or just proving that you really do suck at this.

Have fun Chadrass I know I am. LOL

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

John Dulles
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-02-25 10:14:15 UTC
I love all the crap the ISN loyalists are flinging here.

Few things, The gank in question was performed with a large contingent of Retirement Club alliance members, ISN FC employment histories are riddled with people who have been in and out of that group, and a fairly large contingent of their pilots come from there as well.

To say that the right hand did not sanction the actions of the left is at best dishonest. ISN were all over that gank and crowed it to the skys. So much for your high horse hunh? You cant really wallow in the mud like that then act shocked when everyone points out you are dirty as hell.

But the main thing that draws me to post here is this:

ISN tooled around incursions, hounded fleets for no other reason than to grief them into disbanding.
Generally acted the bully.

As with all bullies when they get hit in the mouth and have a little trickle of blood they have to go crying all over creation to anyone that will listen about how mean and bad that other group is.

Grow up ISN, you're getting served your own koolaid right back. Now drink up,

Meanwhile the rest of us are drinking those sweet sweet ISN tears, The tears of the puffed up bully who just got punched in the mouth.

All I can say to DIN or any other VG communities that start getting hounded by these scumbags, man up, go heavy, and grief these bullies right back
General Escobar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-02-25 10:35:37 UTC
Looks like DIN is having more fun than you as they don`t even care about payouts just to **** you off... love it! Thats the true EVE spirit!
Sentenced 1989
#27 - 2013-02-25 12:58:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentenced 1989
John Dulles wrote:

All I can say to DIN or any other VG communities that start getting hounded by these scumbags, man up, go heavy, and grief these bullies right back


No.

TIG has never had problems with ISN. Occasionally we had to move because they pop the mom early, which is a **** move on occasion, we agree on that, but DIN is known to kill only highsec incursion mom just to put it up to ISN.

So on one side we have ISN making inconvenience to other incursion groups.
On the other side we had DIN drawing some lines and acting space police killing the last mom and making it impossible for other channels to run.

That is one of the main reason why TIG stays in the shadows, doesn't get involved in any of your crap epen tournaments and doesn't want to have anything to do with any of you.

I'm not here to troll or defend ISN, and as you can see from my post its not like we like them to much, just saying that DIN isn't anything better, its prolly even worse. Not to mention TVP in this ocassion who is also known to kill of last highsec incursion just to show it to the ISN.

So there you go, TIG will not grief ISN or anybody else, nor anybody gave right to DIN or anybody else to ask on forums for somebody to grief anybody else.

I would propose however you simply grow up?
Nadia Gallen
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#28 - 2013-02-25 13:31:59 UTC
Sentenced 1989 wrote:
John Dulles wrote:

All I can say to DIN or any other VG communities that start getting hounded by these scumbags, man up, go heavy, and grief these bullies right back


No.

TIG has never had problems with ISN. Occasionally we had to move because they pop the mom early, which is a **** move on occasion, we agree on that, but DIN is known to kill only highsec incursion mom just to put it up to ISN.

So on one side we have ISN making inconvenience to other incursion groups.
On the other side we had DIN drawing some lines and acting space police killing the last mom and making it impossible for other channels to run.

That is one of the main reason why TIG stays in the shadows, doesn't get involved in any of your crap epen tournaments and doesn't want to have anything to do with any of you.

I'm not here to troll or defend ISN, and as you can see from my post its not like we like them to much, just saying that DIN isn't anything better, its prolly even worse. Not to mention TVP in this ocassion who is also known to kill of last highsec incursion just to show it to the ISN.

So there you go, TIG will not grief ISN or anybody else, nor anybody gave right to DIN or anybody else to ask on forums for somebody to grief anybody else.

I would propose however you simply grow up?


I like your attitude, I tip my hat to you, sir.
Charadrass
Angry Germans
#29 - 2013-02-25 14:25:57 UTC
We know closing the last Highsec Incursion was not a perfect idea, but it was an idea.
DIN apologizes to all Incursioncommunities except ISN.

We now found a better way to prevent ISN-Fleets from making money.
The new way will only impact on the actual ISN-Fleetmembers.

Back to the tears :)
7'62 SKS
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-02-25 15:05:14 UTC  |  Edited by: 7'62 SKS
So far my favorite parts of this delicious ISN tear-fest are:

#5 ISN complaining that DIN does not "contest in a 'fair' way". So... much... irony.

#4 ISN complaining that DIN has to "cheat to win" by "blobbing". Funny because carebears using a common a PVP tears term to cry about PVE is loltastic.

#3 Goldiee falling back on his stale "up your meds or reduce them whatever works" insult that he always uses.

#2 ISN baffled that anyone would use a contest tactic that fails to maximize ISK return. Only carebears would fail to see the value in spending time for pure tears profit instead of ISK.

But the best part of all remains...

#1 ISN starting this thread in the first place to provide all of these wonderful shiny tears.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-02-25 15:18:08 UTC
the only tears I see are DIN tears. They can't win so they have to blob it up and make no isk
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#32 - 2013-02-25 15:26:39 UTC
I don't like Charadrass.

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BlackPyroStorm
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-02-25 15:27:59 UTC
I enjoy every aspect of this great sandbox :)
Lancastor Dex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-02-25 15:37:30 UTC
Charadrass wrote:
We know closing the last Highsec Incursion was not a perfect idea, but it was an idea.
DIN apologizes to all Incursioncommunities except ISN.

We now found a better way to prevent ISN-Fleets from making money.
The new way will only impact on the actual ISN-Fleetmembers.

Back to the tears :)


I heard u've been losing some ships and pods lately. Can't imagine why! You are such a charming guy.
7'62 SKS
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-02-25 15:42:15 UTC
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
the only tears I see are DIN tears. They can't win so they have to blob it up and make no isk


The flaw in your argument is your assumption that the only way to win a conflict is to make ISK. Perhaps, despite being in Rote Kapelle, you've never heard of the strategy of "asset denial". You should google it while you contemplate the following quotation:

"He who can destroy a thing, can control a thing."
Franklin Patrick Herbert Jr.

ISN prides itself on two things: One, maximized ISK-making efficiency. Two, winning contests and extracting tears.

DIN's willingness to sacrifice a bit of ISK efficiency crushes ISN's ability to do either, and has caused a 180 shift in tear direction. And the only downside is a temporary "diminishing returns" caused by spreading the usual amount of ISK around to more players.

If it wasn't working, ISN wouldn't be using gank fleets against DIN FCs. If it wasn't working, this tears thread wouldn't even exist.

Charadrass
Angry Germans
#36 - 2013-02-25 16:15:16 UTC
Lancastor Dex wrote:
Charadrass wrote:
We know closing the last Highsec Incursion was not a perfect idea, but it was an idea.
DIN apologizes to all Incursioncommunities except ISN.

We now found a better way to prevent ISN-Fleets from making money.
The new way will only impact on the actual ISN-Fleetmembers.

Back to the tears :)


I heard u've been losing some ships and pods lately. Can't imagine why! You are such a charming guy.


Well ISN pulled their last option :)
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-02-25 17:04:01 UTC
goldiiee wrote:
I am aware that you were targeted for a gank, and I am also aware that nobody in ISN agreed to be part of it, so take your persecution complex to a thread that cares.

Any animosity you have earned you have brought on yourself, and the dificulties you are having with Incursions is 100% self inflicted.

And no I don't spend 1.8 billion per site lost, but since your so in tune with ISN's command channel comunications and chats it would seem we are more important to you, than you are to us.


I have proof and a money trail leading back to an ISN FC that he paid for the gank of my nightmare.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#38 - 2013-02-25 17:21:17 UTC
Carebears gone wild!

Not today spaghetti.

7'62 SKS
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-02-25 17:38:23 UTC
goldiiee wrote:
I am aware that you were targeted for a gank, and I am also aware that nobody in ISN agreed to be part of it, so take your persecution complex to a thread that cares.


Wow, let's all pause for a moment and admire the sheer arrogance it takes to make that statement.

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Omniscience (pron.: /ɒmˈnɪʃəns/[1]), mainly in religion, is the capacity to know everything that there is to know.


Goldiiee is claiming to know the mind of every pilot that flies with ISN. He is, in other words, claiming omniscience. In his mind it is simply not possible for even a single ISN pilot to agree to be part of a gank without him knowing about it.

Taking this a step farther, this statement was not made in a vacuum. To the contrary, chat logs, corp histories, money trails, and a common-sense understanding of the situation implicate only one party: ISN. But despite all this, goldiiee's steadfast belief in his own omniscience and ability to control every single ISN pilot endures.

So he's a megalomaniac, or a liar, or ... maybe it's just the drugs?

Bane Andven
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-02-25 17:42:07 UTC
7'62 SKS wrote:
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
the only tears I see are DIN tears. They can't win so they have to blob it up and make no isk


The flaw in your argument is your assumption that the only way to win a conflict is to make ISK. Perhaps, despite being in Rote Kapelle, you've never heard of the strategy of "asset denial". You should google it while you contemplate the following quotation:

"He who can destroy a thing, can control a thing."
Franklin Patrick Herbert Jr.

ISN prides itself on two things: One, maximized ISK-making efficiency. Two, winning contests and extracting tears.

DIN's willingness to sacrifice a bit of ISK efficiency crushes ISN's ability to do either, and has caused a 180 shift in tear direction. And the only downside is a temporary "diminishing returns" caused by spreading the usual amount of ISK around to more players.

If it wasn't working, ISN wouldn't be using gank fleets against DIN FCs. If it wasn't working, this tears thread wouldn't even exist.



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