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if jita is locked why not sell stuff in the systems around it?
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Ckra Trald
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-02-24 03:28:12 UTC
or would that make sense?

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#2 - 2013-02-24 03:29:50 UTC
But all the stuff is in Jita and they can't get it out to sell it

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Setaceous
Nexus Prima
#3 - 2013-02-24 03:41:06 UTC
Maybe if people had traded just outside of Jita as well as in, this wouldn't have become an issue. Hindsight is a real bastard isn't it?
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-02-24 03:54:01 UTC
It would make sense, but at the same time, people don't like hopping between stations to gather everything they just bought I imagine is part of it, especially if they are using a char that has some sort of risk involved each time they undock.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#5 - 2013-02-24 04:06:35 UTC
Mission runners want to be able to sell all their loot to good orders all in one place.
People building ships want to be able to buy all the stuff needed in one place. Warping around from system to system to do either of these things is a pain. Sitting at the Jita gate and hitting jump 5 times in a row is less trouble.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#6 - 2013-02-24 04:19:39 UTC
I would laugh so supremely hard if they utterly locked Jita for a week.....then deleted its node utterly.

Just a sudden evaporation.

The game would be well served, tbh.

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Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-02-24 04:21:37 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I would laugh so supremely hard if they utterly locked Jita for a week.....then deleted its node utterly.

Just a sudden evaporation.

The game would be well served, tbh.


You realize eventually a nearby system would likely quickly replace it, right?
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-02-24 06:07:18 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I would laugh so supremely hard if they utterly locked Jita for a week.....then deleted its node utterly.

Just a sudden evaporation.

The game would be well served, tbh.


By the mass exodus of people quitting because:

a) people lost 10s, 100s of billions of their stuff. (individuals. as a whole, probably in the hundreds of trillions would be deleted)
b) solidarity for their friends, corpmates, etc, who got all their stuff randomly deleted
c) unpredictability and careless arbitrary actions made by the company that have a game-destroying impact of its players

Yes, if you want the game to collapse, the company to end up going bankrupt, and Eve to not be there for you to play anymore, then yes, ask CCP to lock and delete Jita. There is a much easier approach to this same result though: Quit playing.

No, locking Jita will not make people trade in systems outside it. People will try repeatedly to get into jita, and if they cannot, they will protest. There is nothing wrong with Jita the way it is now, it never takes me more than 3 tries, on WEEKEND PRIMETIME EU to get into jita, and it's hardly even laggy then, so to try to force players to trade somewhere else, especially at the expense of accessing their assetts, is akin to blocking off the washroom in your house, so that people will go elsewhere to defecate. It's a mindblowingly stupid idea.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-02-24 06:10:23 UTC
A couple of idiots wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I would laugh so supremely hard if they utterly locked Jita for a week.....then deleted its node utterly.

Just a sudden evaporation.

The game would be well served, tbh.

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#10 - 2013-02-24 07:19:10 UTC
Ckra Trald wrote:
or would that make sense?

It's actually already happening. On a small scale of course. But compared to a year ago, more things are available in adjacent systems competing with Jita.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#11 - 2013-02-24 09:30:57 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I would laugh so supremely hard if they utterly locked Jita for a week.....then deleted its node utterly.

Just a sudden evaporation.

The game would be well served, tbh.


You realize eventually a nearby system would likely quickly replace it, right?

Not really the point, I'm sure. The point being the massive jolt the economy would take as trillions of ISK in accumulated resources vaporized - the market dislocation would resonate through EVE for months. At least.
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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#12 - 2013-02-24 10:49:03 UTC
Amarr is just 9 jumps away, you can fit a ship there with the same convenience of jita.

Jita is popular with the traders because of the volume there, but from a fitting POV the other hubs are just as good.

As for "why not trade in perimeter or whatever" its tough to make decisions in Eve and get enough people to agree w those choices to make them happen. Communication is limited, other options are plentiful, and people are just stubborn. Ideas here need much more than sense and logic behind them in order to gain a following. They need a contagious meme; like 'afk miner bots are going to ruin PvP' or 'You can make money ganking hulks, check out this website.' or 'space barbie sux, lets have a riot!'
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-02-24 11:06:40 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I would laugh so supremely hard if they utterly locked Jita for a week.....then deleted its node utterly.

Just a sudden evaporation.

The game would be well served, tbh.


You realize eventually a nearby system would likely quickly replace it, right?

Not really the point, I'm sure. The point being the massive jolt the economy would take as trillions of ISK in accumulated resources vaporized - the market dislocation would resonate through EVE for months. At least.
The stories would be told for decades.


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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-02-24 11:19:02 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Amarr is just 9 jumps away, you can fit a ship there with the same convenience of jita.

Jita is popular with the traders because of the volume there, but from a fitting POV the other hubs are just as good.

because of the much lower volume in Amarr you will find that the markets for meta 3/4 items are often manipulated.

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#15 - 2013-02-24 12:33:05 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Amarr is just 9 jumps away, you can fit a ship there with the same convenience of jita.

Jita is popular with the traders because of the volume there, but from a fitting POV the other hubs are just as good.

because of the much lower volume in Amarr you will find that the markets for meta 3/4 items are often manipulated.


With the new running averages listed along side all items it is possible to make an informed purchase regardless of local price fluctuations. I dont concern myself too much with anything that is within an acceptable range of that base number.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#16 - 2013-02-24 13:30:32 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I would laugh so supremely hard if they utterly locked Jita for a week.....then deleted its node utterly.

Just a sudden evaporation.

The game would be well served, tbh.


By the mass exodus of people quitting because:

a) people lost 10s, 100s of billions of their stuff. (individuals. as a whole, probably in the hundreds of trillions would be deleted)
b) solidarity for their friends, corpmates, etc, who got all their stuff randomly deleted
c) unpredictability and careless arbitrary actions made by the company that have a game-destroying impact of its players

Yes, if you want the game to collapse, the company to end up going bankrupt, and Eve to not be there for you to play anymore, then yes, ask CCP to lock and delete Jita. There is a much easier approach to this same result though: Quit playing.

No, locking Jita will not make people trade in systems outside it. People will try repeatedly to get into jita, and if they cannot, they will protest. There is nothing wrong with Jita the way it is now, it never takes me more than 3 tries, on WEEKEND PRIMETIME EU to get into jita, and it's hardly even laggy then, so to try to force players to trade somewhere else, especially at the expense of accessing their assetts, is akin to blocking off the washroom in your house, so that people will go elsewhere to defecate. It's a mindblowingly stupid idea.



Erm.....they would more than likely move any items first from Market and Hangars, then delete Jita.

The point is an evaporated Jita and watching the kicked ants nest scatter and reform.

Sorry, but you extended the fantasy too far.

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Kurfin
Kippers and Jam Developments
#17 - 2013-02-24 13:46:21 UTC
Even if Jita was deleted, and the assets scattered, another hub would emerge as the hub for the whole of EVE, probably in Caldari space again as that is the most populous space, and we'd be back where we started. Upgrading the hardware or coding to be able to cram more people into Jita is the only answer.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#18 - 2013-02-24 13:50:18 UTC
Kurfin wrote:
Even if Jita was deleted, and the assets scattered, another hub would emerge as the hub for the whole of EVE, probably in Caldari space again as that is the most populous space, and we'd be back where we started.



Not necessarily.

EVE has an extremely contentious playerbase, and would more than likely split into 2 or 3 groups each campaigning for their own Trade Hub location.

I doubt things would settle down into one system again.

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Skorpynekomimi
#19 - 2013-02-24 14:50:06 UTC
Why not use surrounding systems and remote orders?
Because jita. That's why.

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Doomheim
#20 - 2013-02-24 14:57:50 UTC
Stuff does occasionally get put up for sale in systems like Perimeter and New Caldari. Stuff even actually gets sold there sometimes. Like, once a month.

OK, OK - maybe once a week.
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