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Mining strategy in null, using a Venture
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cheetai
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-02-16 07:31:46 UTC
Am thinking of trying a Venture to do some ninja-mining (not sure if this is the right term) in NPC null sec. The alt I have there has low skills.

The objectives are: 1. To try the Venture. 2. Collect small quantities of rarer ores that I need for manufacturing. 3. Have fun (this overrides the first 2 objectives)

I have no previous mining experience.

So, should I just go to a belt, move far away from the warp in-spot and the align myself to something and start to mine? Or should I scan for some sites, and go and mine there?

When a ship shows up, should I try to warp away or is it quicker/better to try to cloak?
Raptors Mole
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-02-16 09:44:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Raptors Mole
Or,

Spend 10 mins looking up ladar sites in wormholes.

Scan out a wormhole or 2.

Scan the WH for Ladar sites.

Kill the sleepers or ninja mine the gas before sleepers spawn (Venture is outstanding in this role).

Sell gas, buy the ores you want.

You will have.

Tried out the venture, had fun, made isk.

if you want to mine in NPC null - still viable but the logistics can be a pita.

EDIT - Don't use the venture to kill the sleepers. Drake is easiest in C1-3.
cheetai
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-02-16 12:01:26 UTC
Raptors Mole wrote:
Or,

Spend 10 mins looking up ladar sites in wormholes.

Scan out a wormhole or 2.

Scan the WH for Ladar sites.

Kill the sleepers or ninja mine the gas before sleepers spawn (Venture is outstanding in this role).

Sell gas, buy the ores you want.

You will have.

Tried out the venture, had fun, made isk.

if you want to mine in NPC null - still viable but the logistics can be a pita.

EDIT - Don't use the venture to kill the sleepers. Drake is easiest in C1-3.

I could fit a probe launcher instead of a cloak and find some WHs, as you suggest, but I have no combat skills. Thus killing sleepers is not an option. If it is possible to mine in WHs, without killing sleepers, I'll certainly try it.

The ores/minerals I need are not available on the market. Thus I cannot buy them. As this is likely to be a recurrent problem, I want to experiment with mining locally. Losing a few ships is not an issue, and that may be the best way to learn.
Dusmanul
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-02-17 19:34:02 UTC
I was interested in the same ideas as the OP wondering how viable was minimg in null sec with a venture and cloaking
Zhade Lezte
#5 - 2013-02-18 02:18:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhade Lezte
I know you said that you want to just have fun and that is great but be advised once the novelty wears off that highsec ores are currently worth as much, on average, as all nullsec ores save arkonor (which you won't find in NPC null).

What you will find in NPC null are (I believe) lowsec ores (hedbergite, hemorphite, and to a lesser extent jaspet), which are actually worth roughly as much as arkonor. You can also find them in lowsec, naturally.

Ultimately it's not really viable as the price differences are very low (maybe +25% value/m3 over highsec ores) but who cares, play some Eve Online and learn how to use the directional scan to evade pirates and otherwise travel safely in your venture and go hog wild. I just wouldn't count on it as a long term career option unless CCP changes ore ratios and sov 0.0 grav site mechanics to make ore price disparities more like they used to be in the distant past.

Edit edit: Someone have an idea of what the venture's capabilities are to suggest a fit for these guys? I'd try for a microwarpdrive and prototype cloak if the ship is capable of it, as well as the standard mining gear. You generally want to avoid getting caught at all, even with the warp strength bonus the venture is so fragile you will probably blow up very quickly.
cheetai
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-02-18 04:59:05 UTC
Zhade Lezte wrote:
Edit edit: Someone have an idea of what the venture's capabilities are to suggest a fit for these guys? I'd try for a microwarpdrive and prototype cloak if the ship is capable of it, as well as the standard mining gear. You generally want to avoid getting caught at all, even with the warp strength bonus the venture is so fragile you will probably blow up very quickly.

I've already lost a Venture, just trying to exit the station!

Though I have a stock of 20 Ventures, and am initially planning on fitting 2 miners, one MWD and possibly one warp core stabilizer. the entire cost being less than a million. This way I can just keep going out and trying to mine, and ship losses won't matter much.

I had some agility rigs that I had fit on the Venture I lost, and a medium shield extender. Not sure whether I'll try rigs again. Probably not much point in trying to fit a tank either.

The ship apparently has lots of power and CPU, as even with my limited skills, I did not run of of both, while fitting.

About null sec mining as a long term career: no way! Just want to get small quantities of some minerals that are not available on the market :)
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-02-18 05:53:35 UTC
cheetai wrote:
Zhade Lezte wrote:
Edit edit: Someone have an idea of what the venture's capabilities are to suggest a fit for these guys? I'd try for a microwarpdrive and prototype cloak if the ship is capable of it, as well as the standard mining gear. You generally want to avoid getting caught at all, even with the warp strength bonus the venture is so fragile you will probably blow up very quickly.

I've already lost a Venture, just trying to exit the station!

Though I have a stock of 20 Ventures, and am initially planning on fitting 2 miners, one MWD and possibly one warp core stabilizer. the entire cost being less than a million. This way I can just keep going out and trying to mine, and ship losses won't matter much.

I had some agility rigs that I had fit on the Venture I lost, and a medium shield extender. Not sure whether I'll try rigs again. Probably not much point in trying to fit a tank either.

The ship apparently has lots of power and CPU, as even with my limited skills, I did not run of of both, while fitting.

About null sec mining as a long term career: no way! Just want to get small quantities of some minerals that are not available on the market :)



Insta undock bookmarks are key. Unless the undock is bubbled should work. If the undock is bubbled, just redock immediately.
Sienna Washburne
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-02-18 07:28:23 UTC
Here's the fit I use for WH gas harvesting. Just replace those w/ mining lasers and replace the probe launcher w/ a cloak for low/nullsec mining.

Basically, the low slot and rigs are used for GTFO. Anything that is able to lock on will pretty much insta-pop you, so it's best to just get away as fast as you can.


[Venture]

2x Gas Cloud Harvester I
Core Probe Launcher I

1MN Afterburner I
Survey Scanner I
Medium Shield Extender I

Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I

3x Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Vervz
Threat Contained
The Initiative.
#9 - 2013-02-18 14:16:30 UTC
Sienna Washburne wrote:
Here's the fit I use for WH gas harvesting. Just replace those w/ mining lasers and replace the probe launcher w/ a cloak for low/nullsec mining.

Basically, the low slot and rigs are used for GTFO. Anything that is able to lock on will pretty much insta-pop you, so it's best to just get away as fast as you can.


[Venture]

2x Gas Cloud Harvester I
Core Probe Launcher I

1MN Afterburner I
Survey Scanner I
Medium Shield Extender I

Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I

3x Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I



This wont work in 0.0, the gas clouds hit for over 2k un-resisted as i found out (twice) at the weekend, I even had 90% thermal resist on my secound attempt and was still taking around 1000 damage an explosion about 900 EM and 100 thermal. Second wasnt a cheap fit either.. back to the drawing board!.

My fit (still in the works)


[Venture]

2x Gas Cloud Harvester I
Core Probe Launcher I

1 Thermal Hardener II
Small Shield Booster II
Medium Shield Extender II

1 Damage control I (Meta 4)

3x Thermal resist Rigs

To try and get the EM resists up im going for an adaptive shield hardener II instead of the thermal and stepping up to a damage control II, will probably switch a thermal rig for an EM rig and see what happends.. Hopefully i'll be able to tank two explosions with the shield, thats the key i think.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#10 - 2013-02-19 21:26:32 UTC
Vervz wrote:
Sienna Washburne wrote:
Here's the fit I use for WH gas harvesting. Just replace those w/ mining lasers and replace the probe launcher w/ a cloak for low/nullsec mining.

Basically, the low slot and rigs are used for GTFO. Anything that is able to lock on will pretty much insta-pop you, so it's best to just get away as fast as you can.


[Venture]

2x Gas Cloud Harvester I
Core Probe Launcher I

1MN Afterburner I
Survey Scanner I
Medium Shield Extender I

Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I

3x Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I



This wont work in 0.0, the gas clouds hit for over 2k un-resisted as i found out (twice) at the weekend, I even had 90% thermal resist on my secound attempt and was still taking around 1000 damage an explosion about 900 EM and 100 thermal. Second wasnt a cheap fit either.. back to the drawing board!.

My fit (still in the works)


[Venture]

2x Gas Cloud Harvester I
Core Probe Launcher I

1 Thermal Hardener II
Small Shield Booster II
Medium Shield Extender II

1 Damage control I (Meta 4)

3x Thermal resist Rigs

To try and get the EM resists up im going for an adaptive shield hardener II instead of the thermal and stepping up to a damage control II, will probably switch a thermal rig for an EM rig and see what happends.. Hopefully i'll be able to tank two explosions with the shield, thats the key i think.

I thought the explosions from the gas clouds only shoot out about 800m, if you use the 1500m range of the harvesters you should be able to avoid the explosions. Similar to the clouds from mercoxit mining. Just use the range of the harvesters and you won't get hit. Or has something changed since I last mined gas?
cheetai
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-02-20 05:30:39 UTC
I managed to do some mining using the Venture. So far so good. I suppose it is just a matter of time before I get caught, but I've managed to get some minerals and get manufacturing going on a couple of items.

My greatest surprise was to discover that the ship has a 5k m3 ore cargo hold!! I thought with 50 m3 cargo space I'll be ferrying to and fro all the time. Then I looked in the hold- and there was no ore. Finally I discovered the huge ore hold. Amazing that they managed to fit such a large hold on a frigate!

The issue now is that it takes a long time to fill the hold. Am training my mining skills (which I thought I'd never do) and going to try and increase yield to a reasonable amount. Should also help to get some better mining lasers than Miner 1s, but none available on the market. Am manufacturing some mining laser upgrades, which should also help.

Unfortunately I have not found any Arknor or other ores with Megacyte, which is one of the minerals I need.

About the cloak: it is useful to use it when I get to a belt and am getting my bearings. Once I've found an asteroid, I align myself to a station, start to mine, and ever-ready to dock in case someone shows up. There is evidence of ratting all over the belts, so they'll find me pretty soon, I think.
Darth Magus
The Lone Magus
#12 - 2013-02-21 02:32:52 UTC
cheetai wrote:
I managed to do some mining using the Venture. So far so good. I suppose it is just a matter of time before I get caught, but I've managed to get some minerals and get manufacturing going on a couple of items.

My greatest surprise was to discover that the ship has a 5k m3 ore cargo hold!! I thought with 50 m3 cargo space I'll be ferrying to and fro all the time. Then I looked in the hold- and there was no ore. Finally I discovered the huge ore hold. Amazing that they managed to fit such a large hold on a frigate!

The issue now is that it takes a long time to fill the hold. Am training my mining skills (which I thought I'd never do) and going to try and increase yield to a reasonable amount. Should also help to get some better mining lasers than Miner 1s, but none available on the market. Am manufacturing some mining laser upgrades, which should also help.

Unfortunately I have not found any Arknor or other ores with Megacyte, which is one of the minerals I need.

About the cloak: it is useful to use it when I get to a belt and am getting my bearings. Once I've found an asteroid, I align myself to a station, start to mine, and ever-ready to dock in case someone shows up. There is evidence of ratting all over the belts, so they'll find me pretty soon, I think.


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Fidelium Mortis
Minor Major Miners LLC
#13 - 2013-02-24 01:07:25 UTC
Probably the most efficient/cost effective way.

1. Fit venture.
2. Undock and self-destruct the venture. (now you have tried it)
3. Get a mining barge and mine at a much higher rate than you would in 0.0 with a venture.
4. Sell your ore/minerals and buy the rare minerals off the market.
5. Profit.

ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon
cheetai
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-03-21 16:56:32 UTC
I was caught a couple of times, but got away thanks to the wonderful +2 warp core strength. Some fun convos with the aggressors :)

Great ship; real fun to use; looks brilliant. The minerals are trickling in thanks to buy orders, thus I do not need to continue, but I just may do it again to bug the locals :)
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#15 - 2013-03-21 19:18:35 UTC
+1. Enjoyed the diary-type posts by OP. Made me feel like I was in Space-Skyrim for a moment.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?