Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So now that retribution 1.1 is out and the affects of armor tanking 1.5 felt i would like to continue the rebalance by making armor tanking 2.0

What this entails is:

1. fixing the disparity between active tank bonus and resistance bonus

2. rebalance of armor plates

3. rebalance of armor rigs (trimarks and resist armor rigs)

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So now on the 1. and how to fix this.

first thing is i would take away the 5% bonus to resistance blanket skill and replace it with 5% bonus to passive resist mods.
This would make your average passive resist mod as good as an active

Second i would make the 7.5% bonus also reduce the cap usage for local reps. so on a ship like the brutix which is extremely cap heavy (i.e. mwd blasters tackle and rep) would make it so you use much less cap charges during a fight.

This would make the 5% bonus to resist no longer op and would make the 7.5% bonus actually useful.

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2. rebalance of armor plates:

Fozz did a good job to start with by reducing mass by 20% on small 50,200,800 mm plates and adding in the honeycomb skill 5% reduction in plate mass per level. but also admitted plates like 50mm are useless.

So how about making the 50,200,800mm plates useful but also boosting the 100,400,1600 plates too (that way oversized expanders for armor actually means something)

first i would break the two kinds of plate into two separate categories 1 being light plates and 2 being heavy plates.

so 50,200,800 mm plates are now renamed light plates and 100,400,1600mm plates are now named heavy plates.

Then i would make the fittings for the plates into 3 categories being small medium and large (also making so you cant realistically fit a medium plate on a small ship or a large plate on a medium ship like armor reps)

I would increase light plate’s armor addition to 75% of their current heavy versions

so a small light armor plate (currently a 50mm) would now add 141 armor

To offset this i would increase the heavy plates armor by 25% and also its mass by 25%
so that means a new small heavy plate will add 235 armor but also add 46875 kg of mass.

What this would do is make two tiers of armor plates one for good hp amount and great agility and the second heavy hp increase but heavy mass increase.

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3. i would take the mass penalty for armor rigs (resistance and trimarks) and make it so its 5% for speed and 5% for agility.
that way at skill level v for armor rigging you are only slower by 2.5% and have 2.5% less agility.

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so what do you guys think would this be the final nail in armor/shield balance or do you think this is not enough?

that too is an idea and one i would support.

but i kinda like the idea of having to select which resistance you are going to tank. gives you options as a player.

also this would make the 5% bonus to armor ships slightly better then the 5% bonus to shield ships as the energy adaptive would now be as good as an invul.

i dont mind the bonus being slight op due to the ships usually haveing bad speed and agility to offset.

but yeah making the bonus be for hp amount would work too

hey i thought and argued the same damn thing till i was blue in the face...

fozz said that currently logi RR is op and he does not want to make even more ships op...

so unfortuanly thats not a current option... (unless kil2 convinces him otherwise)

if anyof you guys are going to fanfest can you get fozzie real drunk and get him to make it so that it does work?

that would be sick

good points...

and yes balance the ships... but i stil think that some of the bonus needs to bee looked at in conjunction with the ships...
to me they go hand in hand.

reason i was looking to boost heavy plates is that according to fozz armor tanking is supposed to be about overrized plates. and if you compare shield to armor both ships currently are able to oversize thier extenders but only shield can oversize thier active reps.

so increaseing the hp for heavy plates to me would be a way to oversize armor extenders.

though yeah it will take a while for the "dust" to settle but i allways think its a good idea to get a discussion going.

I would be very careful about splitting the speed reduction on armor rigs into speed and agility. Don't forget that two stats are always greater than the sum of their parts.

100 + 50% + 50% = 225

The reduction in agility would greatly affect a ships mobility and it would take longer to align. It would also be easier to kite it.

The passive resist module increase vs blanket resist increase is a funny one.
Overall, I think it would ads more tank that it currently does to ships like the Abaddon, (because ENAM2s would become more powerful than Invulnerable2s,) while shield tankers would struggle but would probably get leas tank.

I agree with the "balance ships not bonuses" principal. If a ship has a resist bonus, it could probably use less buffer to balance it out more.

The problem with swapping active bonus for raw EHP bonus is its just the other side of the same coin. While it would add more ehp which is useful in fleets, active solo fights would suffer as would PvE fits. Its not solving anything.

I dont see a ship with a resist bonus as unfair, but when it is compared to ships with other bonuses, the resists gives that ship a universal edge. Resists basically apply to everything, while other tanking options don't.

Realistically, a direct comparrison would be a rep bonus (both RR and and local,) as well as raw EHP bonus.