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Nice Hair Bro
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-02-22 15:28:51 UTC
Call it challenge. Call it sociopathy. Don't ask why.

The rules are: You can rely only on yourself and the game itself to do... well, anything. So you cannot joing player corps. Or fleets. Or, most importantly, trade with other players. Or accept things from them. If you want something, you either get it yourself(from enemies/NPCs), make it yourself, or forget about it.

In most MMOs these rules result in minor inconvenience at best, but in EVE where 99% of the stuff on the market is player-made, it's a big friggin problem. I am trying to identify what framework do I have to work with with these limitations. Pretty much everything T2 seems to be out of the question, for example - I could invent it myself, but I couldn't get the required moongoo-based materials. Unless there is a way to get them that I do not know of?

And this is where you come in. It's not my first day in EVE but I am no way an expert on the game and there might be ways around I am simply not familiar with. For example, I've heard you can get some really random crap from exploration sites but I've never done exploration myself and I have little idea what that random crap is.

Feedback most welcome. Just imagine that, starting tommorow, you cannot buy anything from the Market. How would your EVE life look like then and how would you adjust?

(I apologize for posting this in New Citizens Q&A as I am not a "New Citizen" and this is quite obviously an alt. But I feel if I have any gameplay-related question they should be here as a) any passing-by New Citizen may read them and learn something and b) lol GD is for reading, not for posting)
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-02-22 15:33:01 UTC
Sounds awful.

Have fun going out of your way to not have fun.

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Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-02-22 15:46:20 UTC
Not sure why you're so hard line about it.

Recent info shows that most players in Eve are fairly solitary, but dont avoid player interaction or the market.

You don't have to directly speak to anyone to buy from them.

If you chill a bit and find a balance you'll do fine. But if you want to go ahead and avoid all contact, you're swimming against the tide in a virtual world which is designed to be as player driven as possible.

Why would you even want to be part of any MMO?

Wouldnt you be better with an offline game like 'X'?

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Merouk Baas
#4 - 2013-02-22 15:57:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Merouk Baas
Sorry, you can't rely on us for feedback.

YOU alone, remember?

No posting.

EDIT:

The market is a core in-game feature, not using it disables the game to the point of impossible to play, because the devs have not coded any alternatives. Most PVE activities give you items, not ISK, and it's assumed you trade them for ISK so you can buy the skills you need and the stuff you need. The loot in this game is definitely not tailored to you, like quest rewards are in other games.

You won't be able to get isk without trading, and you won't be able to buy your skills without ISK, and you won't be able to do anything without skills.
Tialano Utrigas
Running with Dogs
Out of the Blue.
#5 - 2013-02-22 16:07:29 UTC
T2 stuff is obviously out of the question.

Have fun spending tons of ISK on BPO's.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-02-22 16:12:40 UTC
Tialano Utrigas wrote:
T2 stuff is obviously out of the question.

Have fun spending tons of ISK on BPO's.

isk that have to come from shooting red crosses btw.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Tialano Utrigas
Running with Dogs
Out of the Blue.
#7 - 2013-02-22 16:23:02 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Tialano Utrigas wrote:
T2 stuff is obviously out of the question.

Have fun spending tons of ISK on BPO's.

isk that have to come from shooting red crosses btw.


Thats not player interaction. I assume the OP meant he would interact with NPC's.

Otherwise the biomass button is that way

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-02-22 16:27:09 UTC
Tialano Utrigas wrote:
T2 stuff is obviously out of the question.

Have fun spending tons of ISK on BPO's.


And mining in a Venture to get the minerals to build all of the stuff you need. Mining barge BPOs are NPC seeded in the Outer Ring and cost billions. That's a long haul to get a BPO to build your retriever. For that matter, mining in a Venture given to you by one of the NPC career agents, as those BPOs are also seeded out in the Outer Ring. Hope you don't get 12 of them blown up (or however many career agents you haven't done missions for)
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#9 - 2013-02-22 16:37:45 UTC
Nice Hair Bro wrote:
Call it challenge. Call it sociopathy. Don't ask why.

The rules are: You can rely only on yourself and the game itself to do... well, anything. So you cannot joing player corps. Or fleets. Or, most importantly, trade with other players. Or accept things from them. If you want something, you either get it yourself(from enemies/NPCs), make it yourself, or forget about it.

In most MMOs these rules result in minor inconvenience at best, but in EVE where 99% of the stuff on the market is player-made, it's a big friggin problem. I am trying to identify what framework do I have to work with with these limitations. Pretty much everything T2 seems to be out of the question, for example - I could invent it myself, but I couldn't get the required moongoo-based materials. Unless there is a way to get them that I do not know of?

And this is where you come in. It's not my first day in EVE but I am no way an expert on the game and there might be ways around I am simply not familiar with. For example, I've heard you can get some really random crap from exploration sites but I've never done exploration myself and I have little idea what that random crap is.

Feedback most welcome. Just imagine that, starting tommorow, you cannot buy anything from the Market. How would your EVE life look like then and how would you adjust?

(I apologize for posting this in New Citizens Q&A as I am not a "New Citizen" and this is quite obviously an alt. But I feel if I have any gameplay-related question they should be here as a) any passing-by New Citizen may read them and learn something and b) lol GD is for reading, not for posting)


i guess you could get said moongoo from prying it out of folks holds as they transport it?
Nice Hair Bro
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-02-22 17:43:41 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:
Sorry, you can't rely on us for feedback.

YOU alone, remember?

No posting.


Touche.

Obviously, I cannot avoid interacting with people completely in any MMO, nor would I want to. Who would be the audience to my amazing exploits?

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The market is a core in-game feature, not using it disables the game to the point of impossible to play, because the devs have not coded any alternatives. Most PVE activities give you items, not ISK, and it's assumed you trade them for ISK so you can buy the skills you need and the stuff you need. The loot in this game is definitely not tailored to you, like quest rewards are in other games.


In EVE, enemies drop random gear appropiate for the enemy that dropped it. Enemy frigates will drop frigate-sized modules, and Blood Raiders for example will drop Amarr modules where appropiate(i.e. small energy turrets as weapon drops and crystals as ammo). I actually doubt I will have to manufacture any combat T1 modules at all, since I'll be getting Meta as loot.

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You won't be able to get isk without trading, and you won't be able to buy your skills without ISK, and you won't be able to do anything without skills.


Missions have ISK rewards, enemies have bounties on them. I'm told a very good L4 runner will earn up to 10 mil per hour; if I even manage a tenth of that, that's under 4 hours - one friday evening and then some - for the Battleship skillbook, which is the biggest ship I will have a chance of flying, and likely the most expensive skillbook I will ever buy(Since all the T2 skills are useless to me).

Also, look at it the other way - all I have to buy on the Market are skillbooks and few dozen T1 BPOs. I literally have no other use for ISK at all.

"Varius Xeral" wrote:
Have fun going out of your way to not have fun.


Well, I try!
Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-02-22 17:46:08 UTC
Most faction / deadspace equipment is as good if not better than t2 gear, however it will take quite a bit of solo grinding to get the lucky drops or the lp to buy it outright. The biggest problem for you is that for most categories t2 equip fills the spot as the highest quality gear that's still affordable leaving you with either gimped ships fitted with named mission loot, or ultra shiny ships that take forever to recoup a loss in.

If you absolutely must go full solo then get scrap metal reprocessing up asap so you can turn that loot that you don't want and refuse to sell into to minerals you can use. Also the grind standings for a corp that is part of the empire which the ships you fly are from, this way you can cash in loyalty points for nice gear that will match the type of ship your flying
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-02-22 17:52:37 UTC
Nice Hair Bro wrote:
Call it challenge. Call it sociopathy. Don't ask why.

The rules are: You can rely only on yourself and the game itself to do... well, anything. So you cannot joing player corps. Or fleets. Or, most importantly, trade with other players. Or accept things from them. If you want something, you either get it yourself(from enemies/NPCs), make it yourself, or forget about it.

In most MMOs these rules result in minor inconvenience at best, but in EVE where 99% of the stuff on the market is player-made, it's a big friggin problem. I am trying to identify what framework do I have to work with with these limitations. Pretty much everything T2 seems to be out of the question, for example - I could invent it myself, but I couldn't get the required moongoo-based materials. Unless there is a way to get them that I do not know of?

And this is where you come in. It's not my first day in EVE but I am no way an expert on the game and there might be ways around I am simply not familiar with. For example, I've heard you can get some really random crap from exploration sites but I've never done exploration myself and I have little idea what that random crap is.

Feedback most welcome. Just imagine that, starting tommorow, you cannot buy anything from the Market. How would your EVE life look like then and how would you adjust?

(I apologize for posting this in New Citizens Q&A as I am not a "New Citizen" and this is quite obviously an alt. But I feel if I have any gameplay-related question they should be here as a) any passing-by New Citizen may read them and learn something and b) lol GD is for reading, not for posting)


By asking for help you already failed your goal...you are interacting with others.

As for playing 100% solo (so NO other players involved), stay docked l, log off, start a game from the X-serie and play a singleplayer game.

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Andres Talas
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#13 - 2013-02-23 05:56:13 UTC
Tialano Utrigas wrote:
T2 stuff is obviously out of the question.

Have fun spending tons of ISK on BPO's.


No, drops from player ships he blows up appears to be legal.

And as far as T2 goes, its theoretically possible that he could do the research and invention process himself.

*shrug* its a neat experiment. Lets see how he goes.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#14 - 2013-02-23 06:53:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Nice Hair Bro wrote:

Missions have ISK rewards, enemies have bounties on them. I'm told a very good L4 runner will earn up to 10 mil per hour


That's a poor return for running level 4's, the average is anywhere between 20 and 50 million an hour, depending on if you salvage or not and if you exchange your LP. I run 4's, bounty & agent rewards generally come in between 8-20 million per mission, salvage can vary between 3 and 35 million, and then you have the LP to ISK conversion, which in my case averages at about 1000-1500 isk per LP, depending on what I purchase from the LP store to sell in the local trade hub.

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Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-02-23 07:33:08 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Nice Hair Bro wrote:

Missions have ISK rewards, enemies have bounties on them. I'm told a very good L4 runner will earn up to 10 mil per hour


That's a poor return for running level 4's, the average is anywhere between 20 and 50 million an hour, depending on if you salvage or not and if you exchange your LP. I run 4's, bounty & agent rewards generally come in between 8-20 million per mission, salvage can vary between 3 and 35 million, and then you have the LP to ISK conversion, which in my case averages at about 1000-1500 isk per LP, depending on what I purchase from the LP store to sell in the local trade hub.


I'm sure the numbers stated were for just liquid assets from bounties, he's not selling anything on the market to turn the rest into isk remember?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#16 - 2013-02-23 07:56:21 UTC
Ahhh my bad Oops, I seem to have suffered an ID-10-T error. I'm blaming 36 hours without sleep for that, insomnia sucks Sad

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Turelus
Utassi Security
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#17 - 2013-02-23 09:40:20 UTC
I have tried this a few times as a side project but every time it's failed due to the crazy amount of time you would have to invest to gain ISK for BPO's etc.

http://eost.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/what-is-eve-online-survival-test.html

That's my blog entry on it, if you have any question or want some tips send me a mail.

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#18 - 2013-02-23 14:37:50 UTC
I have done something like this as well and you run in to several problems early on (although it was kind of cool to do).

Where do you get ships? If you build them then you need BPs, do you spend isk to buy BPCs or do you have to buy a BPO? Sure you get some freebie ships from the career agents, but then what?

Where do you get equipment? If used to be pretty easy to get guns and such off of mission loot, but after the nerf it got a lot harder. Ammo doesn't drop fast enough (unless you use lasers) so you need to build or buy it.

Obviously you need to buy skill books.

etc...

It comes down to either being extremely specific about the rules or you half-asset it. (

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Tractus Vesica
Helghast Empire
#19 - 2013-02-23 17:49:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tractus Vesica
So I dont get it, do you hate fun or just yourself?

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Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
#20 - 2013-02-23 18:22:07 UTC
It's not a ton of fun or anything, but you can also make money as a pirate shooting up NPC haulers and taking their loot, which you can then sell on the market to NPC buy orders (since they're all trade goods). It's a pretty terrible ISK/Hour ratio, but it's an option.

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