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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-02-21 14:34:01 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?

Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar.
With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.

Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person.
They'll never know the difference. ;)


If someone needs to read this thread to figure this out, they're too stupid to be in my corp anyway.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#22 - 2013-02-21 14:47:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?

Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar.
With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.

Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person.
They'll never know the difference. ;)



Actually I'm pretty sure this is to a violation of the EULA. Currently there is a section that prohibits you from pretending be any person other than yourself. To pretend to be another player is against the EULA. And if your saying you are someone else from who you are (ie, to pretend your character was sold and your not the person who owned the character in the first place), then it's pretty much the same thing.

Now obviously there is little CCP can actually do in game to stop people from doing this, so it's a fine line. Also, so long as you don't physically say your not the same person you could be all right... but I still wouldn't risk it. But if your forced to say "No, I didn't own this character before then", then it's a straight up violation.

Edit: Apparently it's not in the EULA. I checked it to be sure. However, I do know that when a scammer claims to be another indevidual for the purposes of a scam it is considered an exploit and I believe people have been banned for it before. I'll have to check the forums for where it says that though.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-02-21 14:53:10 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?

Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar.

there was thread about cleaning character history. People argued against resetting. "consequences" they say.

Your post shows that i was right about "consequences" linked to character. They never work.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#24 - 2013-02-21 14:55:35 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:

I don't know if there are other ways (than old-style api keys) for a 3rd party to get your userid and verify it (you yourself can get it from the debug monitor or your settings files) but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that such ways exist and are used.


Now, now, don't spread some secrets! Blink

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tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2013-02-21 14:57:47 UTC
and except most corps wont accept chars that have just been bought - doh

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-02-21 14:59:21 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Pewty McPew wrote:

Doesn't matter how many times you buy/sell a character. If someone is dumb enough to say, accept a former Goon then they get what they deserve.

I look at corp history, regardless of who owns the character. if it has a questionable past then DENIED!

Please explain. What, exactly, do you get if you let a former goon in your corp?

I've never ganked anyone. I've never scammed anyone. I've never actually done anything to anyone. I build ****.

I've got a better reputation and history then asshats like you who have a hard on for people like me, just because I'm in goonwaffe.

you are part of goons. This is enough to never trust you.

And don't say this is stupid or bad somehow. People always look at another people from point of their social group. That's why europeans can freely travel over whole Europe and i need to get visa for the same purpose.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2013-02-21 15:03:48 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?

Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar.
With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.

Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person.
They'll never know the difference. ;)



Actually I'm pretty sure this is to a violation of the EULA. Currently there is a section that prohibits you from pretending be any person other than yourself. To pretend to be another player is against the EULA. And if your saying you are someone else from who you are (ie, to pretend your character was sold and your not the person who owned the character in the first place), then it's pretty much the same thing.

Now obviously there is little CCP can actually do in game to stop people from doing this, so it's a fine line. Also, so long as you don't physically say your not the same person you could be all right... but I still wouldn't risk it. But if your forced to say "No, I didn't own this character before then", then it's a straight up violation.

Edit: Apparently it's not in the EULA. I checked it to be sure. However, I do know that when a scammer claims to be another indevidual for the purposes of a scam it is considered an exploit and I believe people have been banned for it before. I'll have to check the forums for where it says that though.

There's a difference between pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending not to be who you are.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-02-21 15:17:12 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

There's a difference between pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending not to be who you are.


I pretend to be someone I'm not every day. There's no way they'd let me fly a spaceship in real life!

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#29 - 2013-02-21 15:19:12 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Actually I'm pretty sure this is to a violation of the EULA. Currently there is a section that prohibits you from pretending be any person other than yourself. To pretend to be another player is against the EULA. And if your saying you are someone else from who you are (ie, to pretend your character was sold and your not the person who owned the character in the first place), then it's pretty much the same thing.


So... spies are breaking the EULA?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2013-02-21 15:24:49 UTC
it's actually possible to detect this but really only the biggest alliances go to the effort so you're fine 95% of the time

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#31 - 2013-02-21 15:26:08 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?

Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar.
With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.

Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person.
They'll never know the difference. ;)



Actually I'm pretty sure this is to a violation of the EULA. Currently there is a section that prohibits you from pretending be any person other than yourself. To pretend to be another player is against the EULA. And if your saying you are someone else from who you are (ie, to pretend your character was sold and your not the person who owned the character in the first place), then it's pretty much the same thing.

Now obviously there is little CCP can actually do in game to stop people from doing this, so it's a fine line. Also, so long as you don't physically say your not the same person you could be all right... but I still wouldn't risk it. But if your forced to say "No, I didn't own this character before then", then it's a straight up violation.

Edit: Apparently it's not in the EULA. I checked it to be sure. However, I do know that when a scammer claims to be another indevidual for the purposes of a scam it is considered an exploit and I believe people have been banned for it before. I'll have to check the forums for where it says that though.

There's a difference between pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending not to be who you are.


Succinctly expressed, sir.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#32 - 2013-02-21 15:28:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?

Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar.
With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.

Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person.
They'll never know the difference. ;)



Actually I'm pretty sure this is to a violation of the EULA. Currently there is a section that prohibits you from pretending be any person other than yourself. To pretend to be another player is against the EULA. And if your saying you are someone else from who you are (ie, to pretend your character was sold and your not the person who owned the character in the first place), then it's pretty much the same thing.

Now obviously there is little CCP can actually do in game to stop people from doing this, so it's a fine line. Also, so long as you don't physically say your not the same person you could be all right... but I still wouldn't risk it. But if your forced to say "No, I didn't own this character before then", then it's a straight up violation.

Edit: Apparently it's not in the EULA. I checked it to be sure. However, I do know that when a scammer claims to be another indevidual for the purposes of a scam it is considered an exploit and I believe people have been banned for it before. I'll have to check the forums for where it says that though.

There's a difference between pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending not to be who you are.


I wouldn't argue there isn't a different. I also wouldn't argue there is. I'm just saying, I personally wouldn't risk finding out whether CCP thought there was a difference or not the hard way.

RubyPorto wrote:

So... spies are breaking the EULA?


No. If I had a spy in Goons... I would probably never have to say "I am not the same person as Arduemont". Why would they ask me that? Therefore If CCP didn't see a difference between pretending not to be who you are and pretending to be who you arn't, then you still wouldn't have actually done either of those things.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Dante Uisen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-02-21 15:30:35 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
There's a difference between pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending not to be who you are.


Pretending not to be who you are, would that not imply pretending to be someone you're not?
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#34 - 2013-02-21 15:31:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Dante Uisen wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
There's a difference between pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending not to be who you are.


Pretending not to be who you are, would that not imply pretending to be someone you're not?


Yea, that was kind of the point I was trying to make.

If your pretending to not be you, then who are you pretending to be? The answer can only be.. someone else.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
luZk
Fivrelde Corp
#35 - 2013-02-21 15:39:16 UTC
I think it's safe to say this is covered by the EULA as "identity faking".

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#36 - 2013-02-21 15:42:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
I could settle this if I could only bloody find where the rule is written. I'm 99% sure that its here somewhere. If it says something like "Do no impersonate another player" then pretending not to be yourself is not that, and therefore fine... but if the wording is different it could put you in danger.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-02-21 15:57:19 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Dante Uisen wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
There's a difference between pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending not to be who you are.


Pretending not to be who you are, would that not imply pretending to be someone you're not?

No, because the difference is pretending to be someone else (as in if I were to pretend to be Chribba or The Mittani or someone else who plays eve) can cause damage to their reputation, while pretending to be some alter ego person who doesn't actually exist doesn't have the potential to unfairly hurt anyone.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Djana Libra
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-02-21 15:59:35 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?

Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar.
With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.

Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person.
They'll never know the difference. ;)



Actually I'm pretty sure this is to a violation of the EULA. Currently there is a section that prohibits you from pretending be any person other than yourself. To pretend to be another player is against the EULA. And if your saying you are someone else from who you are (ie, to pretend your character was sold and your not the person who owned the character in the first place), then it's pretty much the same thing.

Now obviously there is little CCP can actually do in game to stop people from doing this, so it's a fine line. Also, so long as you don't physically say your not the same person you could be all right... but I still wouldn't risk it. But if your forced to say "No, I didn't own this character before then", then it's a straight up violation.

Edit: Apparently it's not in the EULA. I checked it to be sure. However, I do know that when a scammer claims to be another indevidual for the purposes of a scam it is considered an exploit and I believe people have been banned for it before. I'll have to check the forums for where it says that though.

There's a difference between pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending not to be who you are.


its the internet you can pretend to be or not to be a 3 legged midget with 7 boobs for all we care.

Anyways ppl that buy toons and apply with that as a main are always fishy n looked into more closely. just stop with all the corp hopping and stick with a corp even when things go bad for a while and help it get back on track.
Fenrisian Wolf
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-02-21 15:59:57 UTC
Bob Nesta Marley wrote:
Ey wot ya know, brudda? No rude boy be scopin dis ting, seen? Respect


I don't even know what this means but respect!
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#40 - 2013-02-21 16:15:46 UTC
I'll forgive you for your past if you forgive me for mine, James.

Not today spaghetti.
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