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Titan Bridges… Fair or Not?
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Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#141 - 2013-02-05 18:28:39 UTC
LOL I have never pretended to be elite at anything. And risk adverse I most definitely am not. Nice try tho.

Tekitha wrote:

as opposed to fapping around in a dessie pretending to be elite and all, but I suppose the risk averse kids need their PvP as well ;)

nom nom
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#142 - 2013-02-05 18:35:07 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Hotdropping disincentivises certain fleet compositions (slow, high-power battleships, for example), which isn't fun for the players who enjoy flying them, but at the same time hotdropping is a perfectly valid tactic and gimping it too much isn't going to be fun for the players who enjoy using it.


The solution is simple - fly nano, care naught for hotdroppers :)

Second solution - fight in plexes. Can't light cynos in there (or on the gates :) )

FW provides a very nice escape from the usual bait and blob tactics if you make use of the mechanics (especially the "can't warp to" is awesome). The rest of eve remains for those who like the standard eve tactics.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#143 - 2013-02-05 18:37:37 UTC
STFU you scrub, real men hit f1 and go make a sandwichShocked

chatgris wrote:


The solution is simple - fly nano, care naught for hotdroppers :)

nom nom
Voi Lutois
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#144 - 2013-02-05 19:58:02 UTC
**** all of you.
Lokimin Arbosa
MASS
Pandemic Horde
#145 - 2013-02-08 13:17:18 UTC
So the main complaint of titan bridge is that a bigger group gets bridged in and kills the smaller group, but this only happens because the smaller group is trying to gank the lone (bait) ship (bait ships)

so basicly you are complaining that when you try and gank (out blob) a ship (some ships) you get out blobbed and get ganked

so gankers are moaning becuase they get ganked
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#146 - 2013-02-08 16:28:26 UTC
Seriously, don't want to get bridged in lowsec? Go fight on a FW plex gate or in the plex. Problem solved.
Makavelia
National Industries
#147 - 2013-02-08 17:36:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Makavelia
If eve pvp is to be truly enjoyeble ccp need to find a way to make blobing a handi-cap. I'd guess it would be through some kind of ship ''stacking'' penelty that you see in modules.. so that 3 players will not put out 100% dmg to 1.

That could make lower level engagements more enjoyeble but it would also have good impact's on higher level.

This would mean, for example.. 3 cruisers would not be able to brake the tank of a BS. For that, you would need to field a BS or a few bc of your own to expect to put out the dpos after stacking pen to down the enemy bs.

On a cap level, you can't expect 3 bs to take down a cap (example number) the stacking penelty would leave the dps too low. You'd need to at-least match that cap with another cap + a few bs or what not.

The same can be said on major fleet battles. It would no longer be viable to primary 1 single target, you'd have to devide into devisions of primarys to pump out the maximum dps to players. This would make things for more complex and imo far more enjoyeble FOR ALL OF US.

It can be seen as a limiting factor, and tbh that's exactly what it is.. limiting the effectiveness of ''blob''. Look around now, blobbing is such a high problem, many people don't take bigger ships aorund becuase of that. You are so much likely to have your BS serounded by a cruiser/frigate blob.. and you can't barely hit them to make it worse.

IMO limit the penilitys bigger ships have to killing smaller ones, reduce the dmg of blobbing.. and maybe we can get back to a eve where you NEED to take the right ship ( all types) instead of just blobing 1 cheap type.
Obvious Cyno
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2013-02-11 23:53:24 UTC
Indication of a bridge being imminent would be the cyno going up or a lone Drake attacking your 5-10 man gang.

Limitations would be the time it takes from lighting the cyno to the Titan opening bridge to the fleet clicking jump and then loading grid. Plenty of time if you're smart. Big smile
Anders1
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#149 - 2013-02-14 23:49:08 UTC
hypocrisy strikes you for over 9000kk

1. You gate camp with your 6-10 friends
2. You shoot a solo dude
3. The solo dude evens things up
4. You cry like a little ***** to the forums

c/d??

only difference is they invest 100b whilst you sit there in your 100m piece of junk.

boohoo
Knorkor
Ministry of Silly Walk
#150 - 2013-02-16 18:22:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Knorkor
I wanna repeat my propsition from the other thread:
Give the cynos a limit in mass of what can come through and no other ship with a cyno fitted would be allowed to jump in.
So you have enough time to defeat the cyno and his gang.
Hotdropping lone pilots or small gangs would still be possible, but you have an idea of what can come to you at max, giving small Corps and Alliance a fighting chance.
Myrradah
Apotheosis of Caledvwich
#151 - 2013-02-18 19:14:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Myrradah
I dont think Titan Cynos are that big of a deal and can easily be avoided or escaped.

At the same time, I think you have some good ideas there. Make sense and easy to implement.

I rather like having someone hot drop on us and kill nothing. Or better yet, hot drop on us and we kill there 250mil Arazu and they kill nothing or maybe a t1 cruiser or two. They tend to stop hot dropping you after this happens a few times.

In addition, I myself turn everyone red that hot drops us. So I know right away if that alliance / corp is known for its hot drops. Depending on the situation, I can either engage and kill that one ship so he thinks twice about cynoing on us in the future or escape ahead of time to remove the targets he sees for a possible hot drop.

Individuals not a part of the corp / alliance that hotdrops also get tagged red.
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#152 - 2013-02-20 16:30:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
I don't really care much about Hawt Drops. The only thing I dislike about the titans is the fact that they allow to easy of force projection for large entities. That is my main beef with cyno's in general is that they give to much mobility, and that really doesn't matter in low, only in sov wars.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.
Knorkor
Ministry of Silly Walk
#153 - 2013-02-20 18:48:47 UTC
Anders1 wrote:
hypocrisy strikes you for over 9000kk

1. You gate camp with your 6-10 friends
2. You shoot a solo dude
3. The solo dude evens things up
4. You cry like a little ***** to the forums

c/d??

only difference is they invest 100b whilst you sit there in your 100m piece of junk.

boohoo


Aww come on, as if hotdroppers would be looking for an equal fight.
They hotdrop people that are alone in a Belt ratting or if they catch someone off guard.
If there are more than they are nobody will uncloak.
Don't pretend you "even things out", it makes you look bad.
Zoe Panala
Blobcats
#154 - 2013-02-21 15:10:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Zoe Panala
Knorkor wrote:
Anders1 wrote:
hypocrisy strikes you for over 9000kk

1. You gate camp with your 6-10 friends
2. You shoot a solo dude
3. The solo dude evens things up
4. You cry like a little ***** to the forums

c/d??

only difference is they invest 100b whilst you sit there in your 100m piece of junk.

boohoo


Aww come on, as if hotdroppers would be looking for an equal fight.
They hotdrop people that are alone in a Belt ratting or if they catch someone off guard.
If there are more than they are nobody will uncloak.
Don't pretend you "even things out", it makes you look bad.


Point is you want to play subhuman jerk in internetspaceships, and you get mad that there are even bigger dickheads than you. Reap what you sow! Twisted
Id hitthat
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#155 - 2013-02-26 20:49:56 UTC
You made a choice to not partake in a big part of the game. That's fine but don't go ranting on if it happens to be a slight inconvenience for you when you're hiding away in unconquerable space. Hot drop's are a fun mechanic promoting fights and with the blop's changes it's more viable to run a ghetto version of it.
Dragnarok
Tork n' beans
#156 - 2013-04-18 21:59:49 UTC
Anders1 wrote:
hypocrisy strikes you for over 9000kk

1. You gate camp with your 6-10 friends
2. You shoot a solo dude
3. The solo dude evens things up
4. You cry like a little ***** to the forums

c/d??

only difference is they invest 100b whilst you sit there in your 100m piece of junk.

boohoo


Lack of brain activity strikes you for over... Never mind. Looks like there isn't any activity here.

Before I get accused of being an A-hole. Here is a break down of what you said with some minor changes (obviously from my prospective)

1. I gate camp with your 6-10 friends (true, but sometimes even with 3 people)
2. I shoot at a solo dude (that is why we gate camp with 3 people), and I shoot at roaming ganks too (that is why 6-10 people)
3. In case it is a solo dude... *he doesn't even things up* as you claimed, he brings in the whole alliance with him
4. I cry like a little.... I can't even copy and paste your 4th point as I giggle a little

I hope you realize that there will be people out there who are smarter, dumber, poorer, richer, prettier, uglier, and etc than you.
And you are... here is the punch line; none of the above! Cause to be any of the above choices you need to be a human being (or any other animal for that matter) and not a computer. I say this cause you lack the depth and any substance to what you just wrote on this post since it has been overly repeated and poked like a dead dog in the middle of the street by a kid with a stick. So with this, I will stop and not to **** you any further than you already have done to yourself.

Now, at the risk of sounding like a total **** (like you), but unlike you I read your comments and choose either to ignore them or not, and since you drew the lucky short straw (how unlucky of you), I can't help but tackle yours as an example to all the other people out there who have the common brain wave of that of sand on sunny day at the beach!

/me No surfing here fellas! The waves are smoother than a baby's behind.

I get it. I cry all day and night. Even when I dream, I dream about crying. Got it.
Very intellectual of you... if only the pool from which we drew a base line of what is to be considered intellectual was a pool filled with characters from the "trailer park boys", but in your case this pool needs to have been filled with stones.

Read my comments and my suggestions... and other people suggestions. You make statements and assumptions that only leads me to 2 possible conclusions

1. You are a prick with a big stick... to compensate for something you don't have. And by "big stick" I mean Titan, and by "what you don't have" I mean skills (skills - lacking the ability to set up a proper fleet rather than MORE GUNS IS BETTER approach.)

2. You are a troll... (for those of you who were expecting a funny witty comment... well sorry! I don't have one for trolls... I read a sign saying "don't feed trolls"... somewhere)

Conclusion:
1. If you are going to comment on someone make sure you read what they wrote!
2. Understand what they wrote
3. You understand? "No" - Read it again... "Yes" - Proceed to point 4.
4. If you read point 3. more than once and still "No", then hit and hold Alt + F4 to be able to check-mark point 2 & 3.
5. Now that we lowered the number of those that bring the IQ average down to a puddle, we can start dealing with some substantial and in-depth arguments and ideas
6. Me crying every time my gate camp is crashed is irrelevant... now, move on to the 7 and final point as I grab a new roll of toilet paper to wipe my tears.
7. Comments on this post need to be about ideas on the topic of Titan bridges, and much much less on the topic of my "tears" and "*******".... I hope this is clear to all of you... but if you lack any activity and your waves are on a strike... well, you know where this darn thing is going.

P.s. Arguments is not about saying "you are an idiot" back and forth, or going back and forth "yes" "no". It is about you bringing something new to the table and discuss your point of view in a grown up fashion... hopefully not like this guy here who decided to repeat the same thing said to me by other on this thread.
Dragnarok
Tork n' beans
#157 - 2013-04-18 22:26:10 UTC
Id hitthat wrote:
You made a choice to not partake in a big part of the game. That's fine but don't go ranting on if it happens to be a slight inconvenience for you when you're hiding away in unconquerable space. Hot drop's are a fun mechanic promoting fights and with the blop's changes it's more viable to run a ghetto version of it.


No you didn't! You did not just do it! Are you trying for a Nike commercial or something?
Do not do the followings;

1. assume I do not want to partake in pissing contents with Titans
2. assume it is the big part of the game (really? Your statement just made some people loose their hairs... Homer Simpson is on his way to kick your arse)
3. assume it is an inconvenience... me roaming 20 jumps out to pvp (one way) is one, me reading your comment, and etc.
4. assume I am ranting... well, not now so this doesn't count :D.
5. assume it promotes fighting (really? I just lost some hair right now.

"You made a choice to not partake in a big part of the game... hot drop's are a fun mechanic promoting fights...."
I don't know what you are smoking, but I bet it is fun for you cause you are on the bandwagon to kill a target and not the target.

To you good sir, I say "hot drops" not "hot drop's"... are by no means fun, and they don't promote fighting... Cause when it occassionally promoted me and my team mates to fight the blobbers run and hide untill their agression CD runs out and then log off in a system cause I am baiting +15 ships (biggest one a battle-cruiser) with a battlecruiser in a fleet of 5 (and they knew they outnumbered us cause their scout jumped to the other side of the gate where I was while I was staring at about +15 ships warping in and quickly warping out to a station.

If you are going to sound like a smart guy when you decide to post something... Read! Read some comments (all of them preferably) before commenting. -_-

Your ideas and thoughts have been mentioned and they are wrong... they will not suddenly become right just cause people will start thumbs up you like a turkey during thanksgiving and they will not become right just cause a lot of people repeat it.

Well, you did add something new to this thread. That is Hot drop's are a fun mechanic promoting fights"... lol nice one.
Euasked
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#158 - 2013-04-18 22:32:08 UTC
Yea lets dumb the game down so some incompetent lowsec bears can camp hisec gates in relative safety.
Dragnarok
Tork n' beans
#159 - 2013-04-18 22:38:45 UTC
Euasked wrote:
Yea lets dumb the game down so some incompetent lowsec bears can camp hisec gates in relative safety.


Why not take out the indicator that shows how much ammo your ship can hold and how much left there is in before you can reload automatically? You know how much weight a turret can hold and how much weight your ammo weights, so no need for the indicator, or don't you know how to count?

How about we remove the warnings when you are in high sec and about to shoot at a rock with your turrets? What you got no awareness in you? And many more examples out there. Are you dumb?

I jest! Yes i really do!

But I hope this a good comment regarding your statement
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#160 - 2013-04-18 23:09:50 UTC

Titan bridges bring a pragmatically unscoutable force directly onto the battlefield almost instantly. IMO, this is a bit OP.

Most gate campers are very, very skid-dish, and run away at the first sign of trouble... Titan & BO bridges are some of the very few ways to actually catch them..

I don't know what the fix is.... The best solution I've heard is a spoolup timer on the bridge itself (20-40 seconds). People can always bridge to an offgrid location if they don't think they can survive for that long on the field. It shouldn't effect BO Bridges, as they are generally sending through fragile enough ships as is. It also shouldn't effect capitals jumping onto field... especially triage carrier support!

With the above changes, a BO & Titan can work in unison to bring immediate tackle support through... follows shortly by heavy support. This requires a little more coordination, and makes things a little more interesting all around... (like are they only bringing in those Recons, or is there more on the way?)