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New Desktop for Multiboxing

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Elemental Order
Cycle of Decay
#1 - 2013-02-21 07:08:25 UTC
Thinking of building a new PC for mutliboxing probably running 6-8 clients at once. Will have 3x 24" monitors.

Blueprint:
i7 3930k
asus rampage iv extreme
32gb ram 2133 (probably corsair)
evga gtx 680 classified (figure 4gb of ram will come in hand when multiboxing on 3x screen)
256 gb ssd (for main OS and most used programs thinking crucial m4)
1-2tb mechanical HDD (not sure what one)
Corsair 850W PSU

Maybe a HAF Case haven't decided. Want something capable of water cooling as that will probably be coming into play as well. Although I don't know squat about water cooling.

What do you guys think? Any suggestions? I had originally thought of doing a simpler i7 3770k built but with all the multiboxing I do figure the 6 cores would be more useful.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2013-02-21 08:09:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
that's a good build. I'm using http://pcpartpicker.com/p/CbYr

my roommate uses intel and your card, and it runs 3 screens stable and he's had 7 clients running

keep in mind it's 3+1... can run 3d on three of the four, the last one is strictly 2-d display

his only complaint is with 3 screens, there isn't enough room to put clients up.

Corsair H100 self-contained water cooling... they have a new version now, it's called the 110 or 120 something
Elemental Order
Cycle of Decay
#3 - 2013-02-21 08:29:28 UTC
I had been thinking of a more higher end / custom watercooling system. Honestly would like to watercool the GFX card as well. But not sure of what all it takes.

Is your roommate using the 3770k or something else? And more than 3 screens gets to be a little excessive IMO, I don't want to scare away EVERY female that walks in my room haha.
Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp
#4 - 2013-02-21 12:51:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Calapine
For storage I'd recommend:

HDD: Seagate Barracuda EcoGreen F4 2000GB
SSD: Samsung SSD 840 Series 250GB, 2.5", SATA 6Gb/s

If you want to go crazy with VRAM (not sure that's needed though) take a look at the some HD 7970 Ghz editions with 6 GB GDDR5...

Pain is short, and joy is eternal.

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-02-21 13:56:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
just spotted a deal on the 3770, just in case you were asking because you were considering it.

OH. ANOTHER THING i meant to ask. you're going to get that extreme version motherboard, and only put one video card on it???

Elemental Order wrote:
I had been thinking of a more higher end / custom watercooling system. Honestly would like to watercool the GFX card as well. But not sure of what all it takes.

Is your roommate using the 3770k or something else? And more than 3 screens gets to be a little excessive IMO, I don't want to scare away EVERY female that walks in my room haha.


you should be able to find a water block here, and I forget but there is a company that also makes an enclosed water cooling system for video cards. but consider that opening your video card to mod it this way voids a warranty, and warranty is the point of getting EVGA...

I'm not sure which intel he's using exactly but we both built our systems around the same time (4-5 months ago). I will ask, he's asleep at the moment.

about the sex appeal: If we're bringing girls into it, my experience has been that girls are impressed... and my setup gets me laid~~~ "seeing this somehow totally makes sense." even girls who my roommates bring over will ask, "is he working on something?" and just... stare and smile. look at me, back at the monitors, then again at me, and again at the monitors. just ... full toothed grin like they just walked into Q lab (not sure if they see me more as Q or Bond)

it's unique... not something they're likely to have seen before, in person. nerdy is sexy as long as it's not dirty with dusty keyboards and empty cheetos bags everywhere....

just don't start talking about specs and wattage and Ghz......... "awesome, isn't it?" and a "thanks" will do when they go "wow"

it made the roommate with the 680 classified... move from 2 screens to 3. and i'm sorry but every poser has 3 monitors now.

(I put the black racing stripes on my chair with black duct tape, and that's the part of the setup i'm most proud of. no one has commented on it yet, and that makes me sad)
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#6 - 2013-02-21 14:11:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
The cheapest 4GB GTX 680 goes for about 530$ right now.

This is one of the very few instances where I would actually advise FOR multiple video cards.
You can run them in SLI mode if you like, but frankly, you're better off with them in standalone mode.
That is, 3 separate cards each driving a single one of your 3 monitors, no SLI mode at all.
The main drawback is that you need a motherboard that can fit all three (but you seem to have that covered), and that the Windows display configuration will be a bit unfamiliar to most people (but don't let that stop you).
The hidden advantage is that in case either one breaks for any reason, you're still left with two functional cards (and two of them breaking at the same time is highly unlikely).

You don't even need to get the same model of video card - you can get a moderately powerful one (to use for most other games) and two somewhat weaker ones which would be just fast enough to reliably run 3 EVE clients each at max graphic detail.
I would say something along the lines of 2x 2 GB GTX 650 at ~130$ each plus a 2 GB GTX 660 for ~210$, a grand total of 470$, with a combined "power rating" about 40% higher than the single 4GB GTX 680 at 60$ less total cost (and more total VRAM).

P.S. Bonus points: you can scale up later on to 9 separate monitors if you like, and run each client fullscreen on a single monitor.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-02-21 14:13:54 UTC
yeah. totally. i just edited my last post to ask why that huge motherboard and just one video card.. iirc it has 4 PCI-E slots and supports Quad SLI
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#8 - 2013-02-21 14:37:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Or, you know, you could also wait a couple of months until the new 700-series start coming out, most likely in April or at most May.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2013-02-21 14:41:22 UTC
preposterous!

also: more like Q3 or later... like, December for the 700
Elemental Order
Cycle of Decay
#10 - 2013-02-21 15:09:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Elemental Order
Ya I guess I hadn't thought about it like that but maybe the 3 cards would best best. Not like eve asks for much graphically that one of those couldn't handle. Would probably need to upgrade to a 1000W or 1200W PSU though right?

So 1x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130825

and 2x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130840

It kinda weirds me out the 650 is smaller haha. Think there would be any point in doing 3x of the 660 over 1x 660 and the 2x 650. Honestly saving money sounds great to me as this rig is more expensive than I would really like to spend but I also don't wanna skimp on GPU when the MOBO/CPU is over 1k alone.

I had thought about doing the 680 and then adding on cards later as I only have about 2k US to build this machine right now. Definitely not waiting for the 700 series :P

Currently running on an Intel 2 Duo Core 6600 with 4GB of ram and an old GT 240 so this will be a big upgrade for me :P

And Rain that is a pretty sexy set up I can't deny it. I can always just swap it over to AutoCAD or MathLAB and make it look like I am working ;).

What kind of monitors are those? I got these 2 Viewsonic 24" LEDs and was going to buy 1 more but they have a really ****** bevel that wouldnt allow for me to turn them like you have them. I have half considered buying 3 new monitors and selling these. They perform well but the bevel is a PITA http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004KCPH84/ref=asc_df_B004KCPH842400946?smid=A3LJ5WMKNRFKQS&tag=dealtmp876923-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B004KCPH84

Saw this one on sale. looks pretty good to me :P http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236288&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL022113&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL022113-_-EMC-022113-Index-_-LCDMonitors-_-24236288-L0D

Haven't decided yet though on that end. Don't wanna be a poser ;) I had honestly thought about doing 3 screens for the new PC and keeping 1 or 2 monitors for the old one, or hooking up the old one to my 42" plasma which sits 5ft behind my desk.

And on your racing stripes, they look like they were built in with the chair. Well done.

PS Sorry if this post is all over the place I keep going back and adding stuff. First time I have really got to talk to others about my plan who are interested. :P
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-02-21 15:47:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
for most things, you can save a lot of money using a "90%" strategy... specs that are 90% of the current top-end.

refurbished Samsung PX2370:$205, 23" 1080p 2ms response time. they were $190 on that site. refurb reason for these is the plastic monitor neck is tilted on a lot of them. they're perfect monitors, just tilted if you use the stock stand, and they don't have VESA compliant mounts (they have no mounting provisions, in fact).

in 2009, when i purchased the first 3, they were $300 retail.

I had to make my own frame to hold them (have fun with your mess! second 7970 came later, when I discovered I needed more power to push six screens)

I'm not upgrading monitors until either: "4k" resolution becomes consumer-level cheap, or a "true RYB" happens.

those viewsonics have a 5ms response time, which is ... average. 2ms on the Samsungs is important to me. response time is how fast the pixel can change colors, and translates into less color trails

Samsung PX2370:
Input: DVI, HDMI, VGA
Maximum Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Color Supported: 16.7 Million Colors
Contrast Ratio: 1,000:1 native (10,000,000 dynamic)
Brightness: 250 candelas/m²
Viewing angle: 170/160
anti-glare surface

Viewsonic VA2448M-LED
Input: DVI, VGA
Maximum Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Color Supported: I can't find a spec for number of colors supported, suspicious along with no HDMI input
Contrast Ratio: 1,000:1 native (10,000,000 dynamic)
Brightness: 300 candelas/m²
Viewing angle: 170/160
anti-glare surface

keep the asus rampage iv extreme, and the 3770 is good for updating cards later?

3x 650's is not a bad idea, and you need more than 850W for them.

I suggest an antec 1200 w PSU.

the graphics should last a few years, and the motherboard/cpu combo should last you longer than that... 5, 6 years.

if the 650's are smaller, that's better--you need space between cards for air
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#12 - 2013-02-21 20:01:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
IPS panel is a must, TN panels suuuuuUUUUUuuuuck in comparison.

If you just HAVE to go with a TN panel, at least go with a 120 Hz one (there are no 120 Hz IPS panel consumer monitors yet)

Elemental Order wrote:
Would probably need to upgrade to a 1000W or 1200W PSU though right?


A GTX 650 has a TDP of merely ~65W, while a GTX 660 has a TDP of 140W.
You generally want a PSU that provides between roughly 120% to 160% of the peak power your machine is likely to consume, to account for normal usage degradation in time and slow down the rate of that degradation (depending on how many years your want that particular PSU to last). Anything more than that is a waste of money IMO.

In my recommended setup, total video card TDP would be ~270W, for a system grand total of ~450W or thereabouts tops, probably even just around 400W, so a 650W PSU should already suffice, you don't even really need a ~800W one (but I guess it won't hurt THAT much).
With 3x GTX 660 that would go up to ~550-600W for the system, in which case, you just might want to get a 850W PSU, or maybe even 950W-1000W at most, but 1200W would be overkill IMO.
Of course, most of the time, you won't really get too close to those peak power levels, UNLESS you also decide to heavily overclock everything (which I would strongly advise against, for multiple reasons).

Going with the two 650s and a single 660 has multiple advantages over the triple 660 choice:
- no need for a beefy PSU, which means you can either get a cheaper one or a more efficient one
- noticeably lower electricity usage either way, which adds up in time
- lower heat generation, which also means lower noise levels due to less air volume movement needed
- smaller cards most likely means better airflow where it matters most in a multiple-card setup
- in fact, you can most likely skip the watercooling altogether, even using just the stock cooling already available for everything in the machine
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-02-21 20:12:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Akita T wrote:
IPS panel is a must, TN panels suuuuuUUUUUuuuuck in comparison.


Can't agree more. I've been on an HP ZR22w since 2010 and the difference is like night and day.

edit: Oh and the warranty? It started smelling like burnt plastic one time - a short circuit causing wire insulation to melt somewhere, I'm guessing - and a replacement was here the next day.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2013-02-21 21:19:32 UTC
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-02-21 21:23:17 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
...say the two who have just one monitor


I have no need for more than one.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-02-21 21:27:49 UTC
it's also expensive, OP, and injecting such an elitist view into a discussion about multiple monitors and how to best spend money on a rig is bad form.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-02-21 23:11:37 UTC
I had go with Akita T plan of two regular video cards and one gamer card.

The regular cards get their power from the slot they are plugged in. Example. Akita named GTX 650 and its need for 64 watt. PCI-e slot provides 75 watts. So right there, you plug GTX 650 in and no need for extras.

I recently followed Akita's advice. I have GTX 460 as my main video card, but running two clients was not very smooth. So I added a old nVidia 8400. So I run one client on GTX 460 and second client on 8400, things seem to be smoother.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2013-02-22 00:20:53 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
... PCI-e slot provides 75 watts. ...


that figure varies by PCI-E gen and motherboard.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-02-22 00:39:51 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Caleidascope wrote:
... PCI-e slot provides 75 watts. ...


that figure varies by PCI-E gen and motherboard.

Oh the horror, his new shiny mobo will not be able to power GTX 650!

Thank God my old decrepit Bad Axe 2 with its PCI-e 1.1 can power my 50 watt nVidia 8400.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2013-02-22 00:41:05 UTC
just saying, that's a blanket statement and it's worth verifying for a build. iirc it's a total wattage available across all PCI-E slots, and it's 150W or 300W.....

-verify-
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