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Sovereignty - the "Castle - Fortress"

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BEPOHNKA
Ner Vod Fleet Systems
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2013-02-20 22:20:34 UTC  |  Edited by: BEPOHNKA
Hello,

Wondering what would it be like for alliances to only need to own closer area of space which is by low sec and or by NPC spaces and made to "enforce out side of their space."

The area which could take few days to conquer and outside space which could be taken in few hours. (Castle) (no limit)
Outcome? many small alliances, alliance can be over turned with votes. would their be more stealing?

Fortress design would force alliances to lose space in hours vs days. Any space which is marked closed to empire will have a quick turn over rate from hour. Any space which is out side the mark zone will be allowed the full timer of to 24 hours.
Outcome? can big alliances keep their route clean of unfriendly. good like trying to keep JB linked in 1 hour mark zone.



So any none castle systems could be fight over and over in one days time for the fun. which could include some type of "capture" feel.
Wondering how this type of game play could work as look for making fleets of alliance enforce their space and keep it clean.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#2 - 2013-02-20 22:26:16 UTC
I'm not entirely sure what I just read. But I think it was a terrible idea.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Ovv Topik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-02-20 22:28:22 UTC
Are there any other MMO's or multi player games which use this?

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-02-20 22:31:51 UTC
I think what he's saying is he'd like "light" Sov systems that could be flipped about as easily as a FW system, and "heavy" Sov systems that are harder to flip than the current ones, if that's even possible.
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-02-21 01:20:08 UTC
That's fine, just don't complain when Test Alliance 1-25, Goonswarm 1-25 etc have every single system in their space as "castle" systems

Edit: what's to stop everyone from making holder alliances for the space basically
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#6 - 2013-02-21 02:40:44 UTC
Eve already has this principle in the form of system upgrades.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#7 - 2013-02-21 03:11:36 UTC
BEPOHNKA wrote:
Castle area which could take week to conquer over time. Mount of space needed to have the castle would be about 10 systems. and your only allow one castle. The timers would basally set higher then ones out side the castle systems.


... so... Outpost systems...

Anyway, Pre-Dominion Sov had something like that.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Shadow Lord77
Shadow Industries I
#8 - 2013-02-21 04:06:10 UTC
We also need the ability to pour boiling oil down upon other ships from our stone walls.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#9 - 2013-02-21 04:15:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
Sorry, but any suggestions to change sov mechanics, for better or worse, will always be shot down by the loyal servants of The Big Blue Doughnut who fervently guard the forums for any sacrilegious suggestions that might in any way constrict the ease & flow of their massive moon-goo ISK fountains.

Yes, sov is broken, but it's broken in a way that very influential groups happen to approve of. No changes will be coming anytime soon.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#10 - 2013-02-21 07:16:46 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Sorry, but any suggestions to change sov mechanics, for the worse, will always be shot down by the people who actually interact with the Sov Mechanics.


FYP

Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Yes, sov is broken, but it's broken in a way that very influential groups happen to approve of. No changes will be coming anytime soon.


Which is exactly why they are among the loudest voices clamoring for actual improvements to both the Sov System and Nullsec (without which there's no real reason to fight over space).



It's also funny how Goonswarm's been one of the longest and loudest advocates of Nerfing Tech (their primary Income source), and Supers (which they have one of the largest fleets of*).

*Anyone want to help with the grammar/sentence construction there? It sounds terrible in my head.



Finally, you don't seem to understand what an "ISK Fountain" is.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
BEPOHNKA
Ner Vod Fleet Systems
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-02-21 16:47:54 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
That's fine, just don't complain when Test Alliance 1-25, Goonswarm 1-25 etc have every single system in their space as "castle" systems

Edit: what's to stop everyone from making holder alliances for the space basically



Only thing which may be cool, if the group out votes you and steals from holder alliance? Holding alliance would be spam make which would not be sent to every one. Plus CCP would make only some areas key holders for having your castle. everything else well be turn over in hours. better have fleets up to keep the systems clean.


This could even hurt the renting part of the alliances.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-02-21 16:54:45 UTC
BEPOHNKA wrote:
the castle would be about 10 systems. and your only allow one castle.


one castle per what?

If it's per alliance, what's to stop an alliances splitting down into 50\100\150 alliances taking multiple regions and having a castle every 10 systems.

Also, I'm fairly sure that core systems in current sov space are pretty hard to take and take multiple days to capture.
I've not done sov warfare in a while so I could be wrong.
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#13 - 2013-02-21 17:20:13 UTC
I think a big advantage when making a proposal how sov should work is to know how it actualy works.
Cel Nobol
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-02-21 20:59:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Cel Nobol
This isn't Planetside or Aion.

If a corp wants a section of space they will try and take it, they will be pushed out or they will succeed.

EvE doesn't need King of the hill, or CTF or whatever else.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-02-21 21:16:51 UTC
Jousters please board your Incursus for the next event.
Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
#16 - 2013-02-21 23:12:01 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:



Finally, you don't seem to understand what an "ISK Fountain" is.
If it pours ISK into your wallet like Niagara Falls pours water into Lake Ontario, then yes it is a fountain. It doesn't matter if it is coming from PCs or NPCs. ISK sinks are the only thing that only have one meaning.

Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought.

Illest Insurrectionist
Sparta.
#17 - 2013-02-22 00:08:40 UTC
Ohishi wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:



Finally, you don't seem to understand what an "ISK Fountain" is.
If it pours ISK into your wallet like Niagara Falls pours water into Lake Ontario, then yes it is a fountain. It doesn't matter if it is coming from PCs or NPCs. ISK sinks are the only thing that only have one meaning.


So you are posting to confirm that you indeed have no idea what an isk fountain is?
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#18 - 2013-02-22 00:16:22 UTC
Ohishi wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:



Finally, you don't seem to understand what an "ISK Fountain" is.
If it pours ISK into your wallet like Niagara Falls pours water into Lake Ontario, then yes it is a fountain. It doesn't matter if it is coming from PCs or NPCs. ISK sinks are the only thing that only have one meaning.

They say ignorance is bliss. If we could bottle yours, we'd put therapists out of work.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#19 - 2013-02-22 00:38:07 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Ohishi wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:



Finally, you don't seem to understand what an "ISK Fountain" is.
If it pours ISK into your wallet like Niagara Falls pours water into Lake Ontario, then yes it is a fountain. It doesn't matter if it is coming from PCs or NPCs. ISK sinks are the only thing that only have one meaning.


Wrong. Thanks for playing. The producers will give you your consolation prize on your way out... the prize is "you're fired."


P.S. This should be required watching for EVE Players... and everyone else. (Audio not safe for Work).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#20 - 2013-02-22 00:55:17 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
P.S. This should be required watching for EVE Players... and everyone else. (Audio not safe for Work).


What a carebear that prick is. "My wallet balance is higher than yours so I'm winning the game!" He doesn't even understand how sad his existence is. He should use those brass balls to get the courage to do something interesting with the money he makes.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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