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Race standings and FW activity
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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-02-20 19:15:35 UTC
I have been involved with Amarr FW for many years now, i joined with a good amarr standing and a good caldari standing due to my days of running missions for both empires.

Recently i check my amarr empire standing to find, that im now NEGATIVE to the amarr empire, dropping slowly year after year?!

On closer inspection using standing transaction, the ONLY boosts i ever got was doing plexes till i got a promotion. Since i hit my top promotion, my standings are now ONLY dropping! - This is due to acting on/attacking known players on "my fw side" who are awoxing (aka blue on blue) and me killing them before they kill me - I have far more to lose (esp being CEO of a FW corp) than some clueless newb.

My corp members and brothers in amarr fw have been doing the empress duty for years, taking plex, systems and killing thousands of minmatar in the process, yet the empire DISLIKES me for this?!

Should we not, in the FW, GAIN standing for killing enemy players, taking plex and systems?! I dont want to be able to kill a friendly every week sometimes its unavoidable, it seems we are only penalized and never rewarded by the empire once the promotions are at top level.

Perhaps the 24th imperial crusade standing should effect the Amarr Empire standing, because as it is now, you could do your duty, kill one bad egg in 1,000, and still have the empire hate you for it?! Does not compute.

Im sure this goes for all Races FW standings, help make LOW sec and FW better, lets sort this before more members and corps are kicked due to this awkward and frankly backwards situation.

Yey FW!

Lets make sure its here forever ;)

(Amarr victor)

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RudeX X
Shirak SkunkWorks
#2 - 2013-02-20 22:46:13 UTC
true.
also i dont understand, why faction police engage militians with low security status in their highsec.
its ok, if players shoot the pirates in highsec, cos pirates are pirates, they deserved to shoot by anyone, anywhere.
but srsly. our own faction police says "entering highsec was your last mistake blah blah blah..." or whatever, while im killing thousands of the enemy of the empress.
in my opinion, militians should get very-very tiny faction standings after every enemy kill (0.01%, or it should be based on the destroyed ship type, the rank of the enemy pilots, etc...), and when a militian has exelent faction standing, he should be able to enter highsec w/o being engaged by the friendly faction police.

p.s.: sorry for the poor english
Shi Xia
Killing With Kindness
#3 - 2013-02-20 22:52:34 UTC
Let's just set aside the penalty for killing awoxers issue and address the fact that currently we do not incur ANY positive standings towards the chosen faction of our loyalty for forwarding that faction's interests other than achieving a one time run through the ranks.

How freaking stupid is this? As faction warfare pilots we are the military contingent of said empire, and thus represent that empire. It would seem reasonable that we should receive positive standings for our actions against the enemy for procuring territory (plexing/destroying ihubs) and taking out enemy assets (PvP).

Currently, once you reach the top in rank it stops there, and as the OP explains the FW pilot then has nothing but standings to lose.

Flame on.
2manno Asp
Death By Design
#4 - 2013-02-20 23:25:39 UTC  |  Edited by: 2manno Asp
agreed. if you lose faction standing for shooting an opposing militia, shouldn't you gain faction standing for your militia?

shouldn't a loss in standing somehwere, equate to a gain to the inverse?

seems logical mr. spock.
Zoe Panala
Blobcats
#5 - 2013-02-21 00:37:04 UTC
I cant wait for the standing farming bots!

Undetectable - 9.0 faction standing in 14 days - onry 19 dorrar Evil
RudeX X
Shirak SkunkWorks
#6 - 2013-02-21 14:31:58 UTC
Zoe Panala wrote:
I cant wait for the standing farming bots!

Undetectable - 9.0 faction standing in 14 days - onry 19 dorrar Evil


we r talking about pvp. show me a pvp bot.
2manno Asp
Death By Design
#7 - 2013-02-21 15:32:54 UTC
zoe, there' s no reason to get too bogged down in the minutia of exact solutions yet. first let's all admit this is a problem, and there's a solution out there somehwere.

a fix could be anything at this point, including something as simple as maintaining the rank increase standing gains, even if you've already acheived the highest rank.
RTSAvalanche
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2013-02-23 06:48:08 UTC
Love this topic, it needs to be looked at & addressed in the near future.

CCP has done some great things to EVE lately, Ironing out 100's of rough edges - this here is just one not looked at yet


We can get bounty
We can get LP
rewards for killing targets..

getting small boosts for PVP
(and perhaps deffensive plexes too?)
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#9 - 2013-02-25 23:07:13 UTC
there are currently many things wrong regarding standings if you join FW. You lose sec status over time even if all you do is to defend militia complexes against pirates. The faction standing gain for promotions should never be there in the first place since it is a one time thing. Since there is no long term mechanic which gives you some standing (faction or sec status), FW members slowly degrade into outlaws or get disliked by the faction.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Norhell
The All-Seeing Eye
GaNg BaNg TeAm
#10 - 2013-03-08 18:00:11 UTC
Bump for more discussion
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-03-09 13:27:42 UTC
did this get bumped?

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Madbuster73
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-03-12 01:27:00 UTC
I agree, once you have reached the max promotion all that can happen is you loose standings and there is no way to gain them anymore, so after making a few mistakes or leaving FW for a bit and you loose standing, there is no way you can get back in that militia due to bad standings that you cant get up anymore.

This needs to get fixed!
khajay v virras
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-03-18 21:02:19 UTC
+1
RudeX X
Shirak SkunkWorks
#14 - 2013-03-18 21:23:23 UTC  |  Edited by: RudeX X
lot of awoxers appeard in caldari/amarr militia. ccp should do something with this, because there is no way to fight em. if u agress on em, u lose faction standing, and will be kicked out from the militia. there is no way to gain it back. so basicly u need to bail if an awoxer come into your plex (if u dont wanna wait to be tackled, and die)
in the last 1 week, my corpmembers were at least in 5 fights, where neutrals/war targets attacked us, and they had helping hand from our militia!

the last example:
http://swks.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16857693 (sorry, i donno why, but the link does not work if u click on it, just copy-paste it, and it will be ok)
we can give -10 standing to Invisible fighter, but for example, if he come tomarrow, there is nothing we can do with him, if we dont wanna lose standing. we have to wait until he agress on someone again, or we lose standing. and obviously he wont do it, unless he is in a winning situation. and even if he agress on someone, only that one ppl will be allowed to shoot him w/o any standing loss.

its not right, and you know it.

pls, ccp, erase the faction standing loss that fallows a combat agression/kill against awoxers, and/or give us a way to gain standing even if we have the maximum rank.
StarDustLord
Underground Masonry Industry
#15 - 2013-03-18 22:17:34 UTC
RudeX X wrote:
lot of awoxers appeard in caldari/amarr militia. ccp should do something with this.

pls, ccp, erase the faction standing loss that fallows a combat agression/kill against awoxers, and/or give us a way to gain standing even if we have the maximum rank.



Completely agree!!!!

At least give us a some way to gain standing to compensate for traitor's kills!!!!
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-03-28 16:26:35 UTC
bump.

This is a big deal for corps that do A LOT for FW and still might get kicked out, this just cannot be correct.

like working for an agent and even though he should love you for all the work you do, he decides to hate you.....

pwease take a look at this problem somone in ccp :)

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Norhell
The All-Seeing Eye
GaNg BaNg TeAm
#17 - 2013-04-06 16:43:11 UTC
http://swks.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16698169
http://swks.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17122798

Even there is not ov setting to diferenciate the allied militia!!Evil

Great Faction Warfare system...Ugh
Shi Xia
Killing With Kindness
#18 - 2013-05-06 00:00:17 UTC
Norhell wrote:
Even there is not ov setting to diferenciate the allied militia!!


I do believe there is a tab in the OV for militia - it tells you which faction the pilot is in.

But yeah, it's still a screwed up situation.



:BUMP:
Black Panpher
CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#19 - 2013-05-06 16:57:06 UTC
+1 all the way
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-05-07 16:12:39 UTC
bump.

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