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Federal Hero denies Blood Raider rumours !

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#41 - 2013-02-20 21:00:38 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:

That isn't actually what this is about, Anslo. What this is about is your reputation.

In Aldrith's case, someone is attacking his reputation, and very harshly at that. It is understandable, considering the importance of reputation amongst the capsuleer class, that he would be upset by this.

One day, I hope you realize how important your reputation actually is.


Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Anslo wrote:


Kay.


I see the issue here is that you have no pride in your reputation.

You should guard it very carefully, Anslo, lest someone take it away from you.


Nobody cares since there is no ground at all to back up that statement.

Reputation starts to matter more when the opposite is true.
Anslo
Scope Works
#42 - 2013-02-20 21:01:19 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:


That isn't actually what this is about, Anslo. What this is about is your reputation.

In Aldrith's case, someone is attacking his reputation, and very harshly at that. It is understandable, considering the importance of reputation amongst the capsuleer class, that he would be upset by this.

One day, I hope you realize how important your reputation actually is.


Just not my thing to care for others opinions Tibs. I let them judge me for me. I won't join this rat race of reputation management. If people like me, then they're with me. If they don't, oh well.

I'm just saying that Aldrith shouldn't get spitting mad about this crap. His family and his colleagues know who he is and what he's worth. His Empire knows the same. It's not worth that much anger and that much rage. Therefore, I'm saying he should relax. Those who matter to him know who he is, and if he cares that much about his rep, then those people who matter should be the only one's who's reputation he should be worried about.

As for me? Meh. Maybe I'll take it seriously, maybe I won't. For now, I'm happy being a bandaged derelict chillin out on Voulatteuion Street drinking a beer and sharing good times with my closest, non-egger, friends.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#43 - 2013-02-20 21:06:56 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:

That isn't actually what this is about, Anslo. What this is about is your reputation.

In Aldrith's case, someone is attacking his reputation, and very harshly at that. It is understandable, considering the importance of reputation amongst the capsuleer class, that he would be upset by this.

One day, I hope you realize how important your reputation actually is.


Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Anslo wrote:


Kay.


I see the issue here is that you have no pride in your reputation.

You should guard it very carefully, Anslo, lest someone take it away from you.


Nobody cares since there is no ground at all to back up that statement.

Reputation starts to matter more when the opposite is true.


Evidence actually has very little to do with reputation. This is why most civilized societies have laws against Slander and Libel.

Capsuleers are not civilized societies.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#44 - 2013-02-20 21:08:29 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:

That isn't actually what this is about, Anslo. What this is about is your reputation.

In Aldrith's case, someone is attacking his reputation, and very harshly at that. It is understandable, considering the importance of reputation amongst the capsuleer class, that he would be upset by this.

One day, I hope you realize how important your reputation actually is.


Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Anslo wrote:


Kay.


I see the issue here is that you have no pride in your reputation.

You should guard it very carefully, Anslo, lest someone take it away from you.


Nobody cares since there is no ground at all to back up that statement.

Reputation starts to matter more when the opposite is true.


Evidence actually has very little to do with reputation. This is why most civilized societies have laws against Slander and Libel.

Capsuleers are not civilized societies.


Oh, right, I sometimes forget the superficiality of the masses.
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#45 - 2013-02-20 21:24:52 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
at least they don't pretend to be righteous.


I have no need to pretend to be Righteous.


Down with This Sort of Thing P

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
Iron Men of the Hood
#46 - 2013-02-20 21:46:27 UTC
Blooder chicas are hot.

Even Andreus can't deny it.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#47 - 2013-02-20 21:55:32 UTC
Anslo wrote:
I'm not in some rat race. This isn't school where everyone's joining a popularity contest.



This is often the opinion of those who perform poorly in such competitions.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
Stay Feral
#48 - 2013-02-20 21:55:46 UTC
Kazzzi wrote:
Blooder chicas are hot.

Even Andreus can't deny it.

But they weren't who I went home with. Blink

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Anslo
Scope Works
#49 - 2013-02-20 22:04:25 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I'm not in some rat race. This isn't school where everyone's joining a popularity contest.



This is often the opinion of those who perform poorly in such competitions.



Says the old hag with the god complex.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#50 - 2013-02-20 22:43:06 UTC
Oh, piffle. I thought all these new pages were going to be about intrigue and fornication. I'm still bitter about the Foundation's ruse.
Jev North
Doomheim
#51 - 2013-02-20 22:47:42 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
When wealth is ubiquitous, it is meaningless.

The currency of the Capsuleer is not ISK. It is reputation.


With all due respect for your powers of analysis, Sleepy, I don't get the impression that Aldrith is playing the reputation game - losing your cool in public over a declared enemy's opinion of you would be a highly unusual move for it, in any case. It seems to be a value clash. I think he's taken genuine offense at Ixiris's somewhat self-centered ideas on the worth of a person.

Values dissonance can be a powerful trigger for conflict. Compare the situation with von Khan, not too long ago. Sure, his own actions weren't the greatest, but he either denied them or apologized for them. What drew actual outrage from a number of people were his would-be supporters claiming he was justified in (allegedly) taking them, or more.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#52 - 2013-02-20 23:03:59 UTC
Jev North wrote:
With all due respect for your powers of analysis, Sleepy, I don't get the impression that Aldrith is playing the reputation game - losing your cool in public over a declared enemy's opinion of you would be a highly unusual move for it, in any case. It seems to be a value clash. I think he's taken genuine offense at Ixiris's somewhat self-centered ideas on the worth of a person.

Values dissonance can be a powerful trigger for conflict. Compare the situation with von Khan, not too long ago. Sure, his own actions weren't the greatest, but he either denied them or apologized for them. What drew actual outrage from a number of people were his would-be supporters claiming he was justified in (allegedly) taking them, or more.


Oh, yes. I don't mean to imply that Mr. Shutaq is playing a game or acting to preserve his reputation alone. I do think it a part, however. Your assessment seems very true as well.

Goodness, I do look a little sleepy, don't I?
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#53 - 2013-02-20 23:42:44 UTC
Synthetic Cultist wrote:
It does not Say that the Andreus Ixiris did not offer to be a Mercenary, because his Interests align with the Blood Raiders campaigns against the Khanid Kingdom and the Empire.


If you must know why I care, this is it.

I care because Andreus Irixis is a capsuleer, who can mentally wield a warship ship to bring death and destruction to my doorstep. Now, I do not know the validity of Synthia’s claim here, but this is what I fear. Perhaps if people can call him out on the insanity he is starting to spout he’ll think twice about casually killing Amarrians with some blood cultists on the weekend.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
Stay Feral
#54 - 2013-02-21 00:05:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
I care because Andreus Irixis is a capsuleer, who can mentally wield a warship ship to bring death and destruction to my doorstep. Now, I do not know the validity of Synthia’s claim here, but this is what I fear. Perhaps if people can call him out on the insanity he is starting to spout he’ll think twice about casually killing Amarrians with some blood cultists on the weekend.

Insanity? You mean pointing out the obvious flaws in the logic of a society that claims it has a direct mandate, gained by speaking to an embodiment of the cosmos itself - whom, conveniently, only they can see - to conquer the universe? People in glass habitation domes shouldn't throw stones.

By the way, Aldrith, if I had it in my head to casually murder Amarrian civilians - which, since minds as small as yours might need me to clarify, I don't - yours would be the last voice I'd listen to. Perhaps if you wish to convince me of the good within the Empire you should stop insulting me and making empty threats, and start trying to engage with me on a mature and adult level. I've read enough of the Pax Amarria (although it was one of the copies of a print run that a bunch of your people bomb settlements from orbit over) to know that inside every Amarrian there's at least some minute speck of decency and reason.

But really, I just want to point out how goddamn insane this situation is. Your society had one job, one job, Aldrith - it wasn't even a difficult one: look better than the Blood Raiders. I mean for crying out loud, these are a bunch of insane cultists who murder people and paint arcane runes in their still-warm visceral fluids - it's not difficult, and yet almost every Amarrian capsuleer and the vast majority of non-capsuleers manage to come out looking worse - worse than the Blood Raiders! Mate, what are you doing?! Your adversary in this moral comparison is the Blood Raiders! They murder civilians for fun! They name their ships after demons! Some of them pretty much directly acknowledge that they're evil! You don't even need to actually look morally upstanding; all you have to do is not look worse than them and you're failing at it! What are you doing?!

Your civilization has the closest thing to a tradition of rulers that go mad with power, and one of the most recent ways in which you decided to punish one was ritual dismemberment without anaesthetic on live television! You enacted a 99% successful genocide against two seperate ethnicities, and most recently, when you discovered that it was 99% instead of a 100%, members of your society tried to add another percent! You enslave billions of people against their will because ancient texts written by superstitious pre-spaceflight primitives thousands of years ago tell you to! And for all the moral failings of the Blood Raiders, let us not forget that it was your society that spawned them in the first place!

I don't even want the Amarrians to fix their mistakes, because I think that's being a little unrealistic - but the vast majority of your society can't even admit that they were mistakes in the first place. According to every decision the Theology Council has ever made, it was either always the right choice, or it was retroactively always the right choice.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2013-02-21 00:19:08 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
And for all the moral failings of the Blood Raiders, let us not forget that it was your society that spawned them in the first place!



And persecuted the first practicioners of the Sani Sabik faith, innocent faithful who only sought to rise above the stations they were shackled to by their imperialist overlords.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2013-02-21 00:39:39 UTC
Federalists are funny...

barely worth commenting on. Just face-palm to Ixiris' backpedaling.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#57 - 2013-02-21 00:46:18 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
... and one of the most recent ways in which you decided to punish one was ritual dismemberment without anaesthetic on live television! ...


Pot, I'd like to introduce you to Kettle. You'll find you have much in common.

Katrina Oniseki

Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
Stay Feral
#58 - 2013-02-21 00:46:59 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
Federalists are funny...

barely worth commenting on. Just face-palm to Ixiris' backpedaling.

Backpedalling? I'm pretty open about having attended a Sani Sabik gathering, and also pretty open about not following the Sani Sabik faith. Only thing I haven't open about yet is who I left the gathering with.

Ah, now if that had been the subject of a salacious gossip column, this thread might be a lot more interesting...

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2013-02-21 00:55:22 UTC
"Its OK that I support and/or **Concord censorship** members of a homicidal cult... your apparently worse! so mortally I am clean!" -funny federalist.

What exact justification do you have with fraternizing with people who you know will go out and murder after last call?
Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2013-02-21 01:01:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Khazarn Areth
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
"Its OK that I support and/or **Concord censorship** members of a homicidal cult... your apparently worse! so mortally I am clean!" -funny federalist.

What exact justification do you have with fraternizing with people who you know will go out and murder after last call?


Mr Ixiris has to justify going to a small social event with a vaired mixing of attendee backgrounds and conversing socially (and politely i may add) at said event?

And if we're discussing socialising with murderers, are most capsuleers not murderers in their own self righteous ways?

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood