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Tiericide Battlecruiser mineral cost adjustments
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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#121 - 2013-02-19 04:56:09 UTC
mynnna wrote:
So wait okay, in this analogy the $20,000 bottles of wine is the Goonfleet Cabal and the McDonalds or whatever that you went to get after a night of valet work is the MD Elite?


I was assuming the $12,000 bottle of whine when you already own the $20,000 bottle.

I don't know. I've never heard of the MD Elite (do you give money to only the richest of Muscular Dystrophy sufferers?), so I can only imagine you'd find it valuable and prestigious.

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#122 - 2013-02-19 05:42:52 UTC
Nah, MD elite means - or used to mean - someone trusted enough by the community to give them isk with more or less no questions asked.


I'm sure you can imagine why there aren't many of them around anymore Lol

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Callduron
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#123 - 2013-02-19 06:28:05 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Aryth wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Speaking for myself i didnt check what the build cost was , what the average price was .... i just bought a crapload and will see around summer if i can make a profit out of it.If they haven't sold in a year then i'll dump them onto whatever the price is .. if i can sell them between summer/winter for a profit then that's a nice extra.

I might earn 10 B i might loose 10 B either way it's of no essential impact Blink


We have similar investment styles then. Though i prefer the, will 100% make xxx billions and hope for xxx+xx billions method. But essentially, throw into long terms, forget about them for a period of time. 2 months to me is a blink as far as EVE investments anyway.

I just rolled all the initial profits into more BC's and GS. Park it.


I do the same. I am already investing for the T2 ships tiericide...


T2 is probably much riskier. What if they nerf moon goo before the ships are rebalanced?

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shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#124 - 2013-02-19 07:20:53 UTC
Callduron wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:


I do the same. I am already investing for the T2 ships tiericide...


T2 is probably much riskier. What if they nerf moon goo before the ships are rebalanced?


yea I was thinking the same, when i read that, but I thought it was meant ironic. I guess it`ll take at least a year till T2 tiercide will actuall happen and Its rather unlikely that the neo bubble will last that long... and there is still a tech nerf coming at some point IIRC.

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Illest Insurrectionist
Sparta.
#125 - 2013-02-19 10:24:49 UTC
They mentioned reducing the cost of black ops and we have no reference for what they might do with t2 costs. Beyond that the eos and astarte for instance are within 3% of each other with the material costs i'm seeing.

I'm not sure how you speculate based on that.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2013-02-19 16:26:40 UTC
Candy Oshea wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Candy Oshea wrote:
Regardless, only current sell prices matter, pyerite has been trending up for a year (youlittledevil,jpg). So again, why sell now & why brag about only mediocre gains.


Because for every 5-8 BCs he sells now, he gets an extra one at the end of the whole process without putting any additional initial capital in play, assuming he simply reinvests the profit.

In my case, I sell now because I don't feel like locking up my capital for that long, so >1m/hr/line for ~2 weeks now making simple T1 items is pretty good. Also, ~15% profit in a day is better for me than 40% profit in 6 months.


Thanks Ruby. I Understand, i think the guy/group has 10,000+ BC's, & simply doesn't care, profit is profit regardless, so fair point.

I mentioned the blocking order earlier, i wonder why it isn't Agressively at 36.5, sure you will lose some opportunity isk, but the lemmings undercutting you and selling to buy orders will eventually Drop them (in the case of ferox) to a reasonable price to re-stock/gather more.

But what do i know right?

It Just amuses me to see such effort + forum warrioring for less than 5m a hull.





Your issue is you think small. It is one thing to invest 100b ISK and get a pretty good return in a semi short period of time. Say less than 90 days. It is quite another to invest half a trillion and get that same return in even 6 months.

I ran off 10k+ BC's myself. The others have thousands too. At that scale, who cares about maximizing each individual hull, at that scale you are only worried about is it 12 months, or 18 months before you got your cash back. We don't sweat the .01 game or maximizing 500k per hull or 2m even. You just make the market and have it react to you.

I am not going to hold down BC's and acquire more anytime soon. If others want to, have at it. I will sell blocks of BC's at different price points all the way up. So that they average out to be a very decent profit. Again scale.

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#127 - 2013-02-19 17:05:20 UTC
Some people seem to think you can treat a half trillion isk in the same way as, say, a half billion.

Fun, no?


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Ark Destroyer
BLOMI
#128 - 2013-02-19 20:06:54 UTC
Any idea on when you would be able to simply refine the bc's to their "new" mineral value after the patch? I tried to find a link on how the system works, because at first glance you'd think you could just buy them at current prices, than refine them on patch day and get the "new" mineral count, but you can't...

Anyone have more info/post on this mechanism, and is there a certain amount of time before it expires?

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Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2013-02-19 21:03:02 UTC
Ark Destroyer wrote:
Any idea on when you would be able to simply refine the bc's to their "new" mineral value after the patch? I tried to find a link on how the system works, because at first glance you'd think you could just buy them at current prices, than refine them on patch day and get the "new" mineral count, but you can't...

Anyone have more info/post on this mechanism, and is there a certain amount of time before it expires?


Never until CCP changes their underlying mechanics. So don't hold your breath on refining for new values. They haven't done it for procurers even though they are glutted for years.

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Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#130 - 2013-02-19 22:30:38 UTC
Aryth wrote:


I ran off 10k+ BC's myself. The others have thousands too. At that scale, who cares about maximizing each individual hull, at that scale you are only worried about is it 12 months, or 18 months before you got your cash back. We don't sweat the .01 game or maximizing 500k per hull or 2m even. You just make the market and have it react to you.



So now its, "we don't care about numbers" (Even though i sperg last few pages about 4m profit), its "Only when we can sell them matters". Why didn't you just say that in the first place dude, why the show? ah that's right you were just trolling gotcha. I understand exactly what you mean by average it out on price points & theres no other way to do it, now i know you have 10k+ BC's it all makes sense, BC to you is like ammo to me check.

My little order got swallowed last night, (6@39,999,999.99)

At one stage your 444 order was blocking for me @ about 39.5, nek minute, i'm sitting here wondering when to put up my little stack. I only have about 40 Ferox that are built from a BPO ive owned for years, gon hold them and see what happens. Id like to make 20% above melt value, see what happens though, at this scale i'm counting every penny, (even at 10k hulls i would still count every penny :p)

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Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2013-02-19 23:13:17 UTC
Candy Oshea wrote:
Aryth wrote:


I ran off 10k+ BC's myself. The others have thousands too. At that scale, who cares about maximizing each individual hull, at that scale you are only worried about is it 12 months, or 18 months before you got your cash back. We don't sweat the .01 game or maximizing 500k per hull or 2m even. You just make the market and have it react to you.



So now its, "we don't care about numbers" (Even though i sperg last few pages about 4m profit), its "Only when we can sell them matters". Why didn't you just say that in the first place dude, why the show? ah that's right you were just trolling gotcha. I understand exactly what you mean by average it out on price points & theres no other way to do it, now i know you have 10k+ BC's it all makes sense, BC to you is like ammo to me check.

My little order got swallowed last night, (6@39,999,999.99)

At one stage your 444 order was blocking for me @ about 39.5, nek minute, i'm sitting here wondering when to put up my little stack. I only have about 40 Ferox that are built from a BPO ive owned for years, gon hold them and see what happens. Id like to make 20% above melt value, see what happens though, at this scale i'm counting every penny, (even at 10k hulls i would still count every penny :p)


You are comparing PRE-patch profit, with POST-patch profit. It was so laffo to have prepatch as you could just roll it into more BC's. (Which I did)

Scale applies after, not before. Before, every ISK counts to roll into a bigger hit on the patch itself. After, whatever, glutted for a year. Ladder out and ignore market.

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Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#132 - 2013-02-19 23:32:49 UTC
Aryth wrote:

You are comparing PRE-patch profit, with POST-patch profit. It was so laffo to have prepatch as you could just roll it into more BC's. (Which I did)

Scale applies after, not before. Before, every ISK counts to roll into a bigger hit on the patch itself. After, whatever, glutted for a year. Ladder out and ignore market.



Yeh lol at the ppl selling there whole stacks under 40m lol

Ant in pants etc.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#133 - 2013-02-20 00:04:49 UTC
Callduron wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Aryth wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Speaking for myself i didnt check what the build cost was , what the average price was .... i just bought a crapload and will see around summer if i can make a profit out of it.If they haven't sold in a year then i'll dump them onto whatever the price is .. if i can sell them between summer/winter for a profit then that's a nice extra.

I might earn 10 B i might loose 10 B either way it's of no essential impact Blink


We have similar investment styles then. Though i prefer the, will 100% make xxx billions and hope for xxx+xx billions method. But essentially, throw into long terms, forget about them for a period of time. 2 months to me is a blink as far as EVE investments anyway.

I just rolled all the initial profits into more BC's and GS. Park it.


I do the same. I am already investing for the T2 ships tiericide...


T2 is probably much riskier. What if they nerf moon goo before the ships are rebalanced?


What if I dump the stuff when I read about the moon goo nerf in a next expansion? Cool

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#134 - 2013-02-20 00:08:38 UTC
Aryth wrote:
You just make the market and have it react to you.


One of the many wise sentences off yours and also why I tell Mynna that he can easily access to such data he can make informed fundamental analysis decisions, while I can't. Not without a lot of guesswork and I don't like guesswork.

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Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2013-02-20 03:04:54 UTC
Aryth wrote:


You are comparing PRE-patch profit, with POST-patch profit. It was so laffo to have prepatch as you could just roll it into more BC's. (Which I did)

Scale applies after, not before. Before, every ISK counts to roll into a bigger hit on the patch itself. After, whatever, glutted for a year. Ladder out and ignore market.




..This. I made 1-4 mil ISK/hour manufacturing and selling BC hulls for months leading up to patch day. Then folded the starting capitol+profit into a large production run.

In the end, the profits that were rolled over are a drop in the bucket compared to the starting investment and price increase, but every little ISK counts.

Seems silly to manufacture and horde you hulls while inching closer to patch day.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#136 - 2013-02-20 03:16:04 UTC
Ark Destroyer wrote:
Any idea on when you would be able to simply refine the bc's to their "new" mineral value after the patch? I tried to find a link on how the system works, because at first glance you'd think you could just buy them at current prices, than refine them on patch day and get the "new" mineral count, but you can't...

Anyone have more info/post on this mechanism, and is there a certain amount of time before it expires?


Similar time scale as the addition of/conversion to "Extra Materials" in Bombs.

(There's nothing to suggest that the extra materials will ever be rolled back, nor is there a compelling reason that I can see to consider ever rolling them back.)

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Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#137 - 2013-02-20 03:23:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Candy Oshea
Syds Sinclair wrote:

..This. I made 1-4 mil ISK/hour manufacturing and selling BC hulls for months leading up to patch day. Then folded the starting capitol+profit into a large production run.

In the end, the profits that were rolled over are a drop in the bucket compared to the starting investment and price increase, but every little ISK counts.

Seems silly to manufacture and horde you hulls while inching closer to patch day.


Poor logic Syd's, You are Implying Tier 1 BC profit Pre-patch was better than anything else built with minerals. It wasn't 1-4m isk Per hour that's for sure, maybe in the week leading up to patch day, but certainly not as you implied, months.

Also you trade, so you could have used the isk u sunk into BC pre-patch into 20% flips in jita.

Point being: Much better items to put minerals into (Pre patch), up until you do your big production run, then build your 9000 BC's.

E: in the case of goon cartel, they had 10000++ already, so flipping was possible.

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#138 - 2013-02-20 03:46:30 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

(There's nothing to suggest that the extra materials will ever be rolled back, nor is there a compelling reason that I can see to consider ever rolling them back.)


There is, but that's as far as I'm going to comment on it. Twisted

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#139 - 2013-02-20 03:53:48 UTC
mynnna wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

(There's nothing to suggest that the extra materials will ever be rolled back, nor is there a compelling reason that I can see to consider ever rolling them back.)


There is, but that's as far as I'm going to comment on it. Twisted


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Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#140 - 2013-02-20 03:56:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Candy Oshea
I asked in SCC this morning, and Gordena Gecko said on SISI prices were up

Does anyone actually know with 100% certainty if the Teiricide BPO prices were adjusted as well? the NPC market for the BPO's is a little whacky atm, showing some weird differences in NPC prices.

As the build costs are more or less in line now, have the BPO's been adjusted upward to be closer to the old Teir 3 BPO. ~500m?

Its quite obviously a saturated market for those BPO's atm, but still would like to know what my old ferox BPO is now worth.

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