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Lord Thingol
Czarna-Kompania
Czarna-Kompania.
#141 - 2013-02-19 21:45:39 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Naga #1
Rokh #3
Caracal #4
Drake #6
Yep, Caldari is definitely worst for PVP.


Wonder what weapons Caldari should use ?

1 425mm AutoCannon II 24,259
2 Heavy Pulse Laser II 21,906
3 200mm AutoCannon II 21,551
4 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II 20,007
5 720mm Howitzer Artillery II 18,941
6 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II 17,426
7 Mega Pulse Laser II 16,833
8 Neutron Blaster Cannon II 16,430
9 Light Neutron Blaster II 16,313
10 Heavy Missile Launcher II 14,661
11 150mm Light AutoCannon II 14,410
12 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II 11,290
13 Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher 10,672
14 Heavy Neutron Blaster II 10,189
15 425mm Railgun II 9,401
16 Light Ion Blaster II 8,292
17 Focused Medium Pulse Laser II 7,689
18 425mm Compressed Coil Gun I 6,976
19 Small Focused Pulse Laser II 6,965
20 Heavy Electron Blaster II 6,457

Projectile : 127,884 kills
Hybrids : 81,747 kills
Energy : 53,393 Kills
Missiles 14,661 kills (+ torpedoes 10,672)


We can clearly see, that rockets really needed nerf...

Oraac Ensor
#142 - 2013-02-19 21:49:14 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
kyrieee wrote:
There needs to be an option to auto-reject all duels

James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
OK, I must be going blind. Where is the "Dueling: Auto reject" option in the esc menu?

Audio & Chat tab, right panel, Dueling header

First thing I looked for when I logged in. :P

Roll

I get your point, but I really don't want to be harassed with duel invites whenever I go to a market hub.
It's not that I think it's a bad game mechanic, I just don't personally want to use it.

What point?

I just indicated to kyrieee that you had already answered his question.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#143 - 2013-02-19 21:51:35 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:

What point?

I just indicated to kyrieee that you had already answered his question.

Oh. Nevermind.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Rasmier
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#144 - 2013-02-19 21:52:56 UTC
2 bugs:

1. when scanning, left-click drag no longer works in solar system map
2. When running complexes(anoms?) the last wave warps off after roughly 5-10 seconds
Bubbleboylol
Militia Federation
#145 - 2013-02-19 21:54:10 UTC
Flag Bravo wrote:
Bubbleboylol wrote:



Being able to refit and choose what and how you like to set things up is great! I am all for it, but not being forced into a certain setup on a certain ship of not my own choosing. I am sure some will agree with me and some will not, that is the great thing about having options and choices! But they are all slowly getting turned into ( "cookie cutter fit" ) that's all good, but what is the point if you can just look up the best fit put it on and call it good? so you can go out and fight and kill other ships that have the same cookie cutter setup? will that not get boring when you know every fight will be the same> and everyone will have the same fit? do you get what i am saying? it's hard to see and watch choices slowly get ripped away from being a long time player like myself.


Exactly. Being now forced into zhit fits is no fun at all. The fun was in the freedom to build and experiment, now its "put piece A into hole A, shove dongle B up orifice B" and so forth.
Dull.





Exactly my freaking point haha, They are simplifying the game because people complain it is to hard. Well if anyone was around playing World of warcraft back when it first started and the 3nd expansion people started complaining about how hard the game was having to do this little thing or compare things or experiment etc. Well 2 expansions later you log on to the game and you don't even have to do anything to get everything in the game anymore. and i quote "just by playing you get everything"..... The people ruined the game because there was always something wrong or to many options it took to long to do this or that etc. Now everyone is starting to leave the game. I know because i own shares in Activision the parent company of Blizzard. They tried to carter to the players to keep and or make there stocks rise and it screwed the players in the end. In no way am i saying EvE is remotely close to WoW in a playing sense but don't forget money and greed corrupts and if left unchecked will screw the bread givers. Just my opinion as I have seen it from the other side as well as the game side.

Asking to have more then one ( Option From CCP is like asking a chicken to cook it-self. )
Epsilon Bathana
EPS Kings
#146 - 2013-02-19 22:17:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Epsilon Bathana
Pantson Head wrote:
James Achassious wrote:
Reiken VonPain wrote:
I do like the Idea of rebalancing the battle cruisers and i don't have any issues with it except one. The drake, why'd ya have to take away a missile hard point? that'll make missioning and PVP harder. I don't think the change from 5% to 10% missile kinetic damage bonus makes up for the DPS of an extra missile launcher.


I agree completely with you.

Simple math disagrees with you both. Whatever you may think, you now have 9 effective launchers on your drake, as opposed to the 8.75 effective launchers you had yesterday.


Missiles have/had the advantage that you could switch damage type. With this patch they nerfed the ship for EM, Thermal and Explosive at all levels and for Kinetic at level 1 to 3 versus an increase for Kinetic at level 5

Math is simple, right?
DarkFeed
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#147 - 2013-02-19 22:25:47 UTC
"Armor and shield compensation skills no longer give any bonus to active armor or shield hardeners."
You guys forgot to rename the skill!
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#148 - 2013-02-19 22:29:52 UTC
Lord Thingol wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Naga #1
Rokh #3
Caracal #4
Drake #6
Yep, Caldari is definitely worst for PVP.


Wonder what weapons Caldari should use ?

*snip*

Projectile : 127,884 kills
Hybrids : 81,747 kills
Energy : 53,393 Kills
Missiles 14,661 kills (+ torpedoes 10,672)


We can clearly see, that rockets really needed nerf...
How were they nerfed? There was no mention in the patch notes...

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Epsilon Bathana
EPS Kings
#149 - 2013-02-19 22:42:51 UTC
Looks like some dev played with NPC vs drones settings again. Sad

After previous patch I switched to faction Sentries. The double Shields and Armor HP (up to 2.3k) allowed them to actually have some time in space and I didn't have to reduce my DPS to 80% or even 60% most of the time. With this patch they are dropping like flies. At a price tag of 3-4M each, that is expensive ammo. Maybe I should "adjust" like everybody else and drop drones and missiles and stick with guns (projectiles?)
Rutger Janssen
Chanuur
The Initiative.
#150 - 2013-02-19 22:48:31 UTC
WOOT, after 2.5 years the change blueprint filter finally isn't limited to hangars you have take access too.

Too bad this patch didn't fix an issue that was filtered because it would be fixed in the next big release(151143)
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2013-02-19 22:54:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
The screen shake from missile impacts, while a cool effect, is a little too strong. I was starting to feel motion-sick from Angel Extravaganza. Tone down? Please?
Edit: Yes, I know if can be completely disabled, but I do like the effect, if it just wasn't so strong.

Any possibility that the autopilot route in space could disappear when the UI is hidden (Ctrl-F9)? Not a bog deal to disable manually for screen shots, just odd that the entire UI disappears, except for the autopilot route marker
Banirtal Cadelanne
Extropic Industries
The Initiative.
#152 - 2013-02-19 22:56:11 UTC
Steijn wrote:
Banirtal Cadelanne wrote:
Cant update past 21.85MB. Tried on 4 different computers, I had the same problem with the last update, had to re-download the client manually and re-install. Loosing training time here! Last time lost 3 days, only received an apology. I have 15 accounts, if I loose time this time round I will cancel all accounts!


only way you lose training time is if you failed to put a long skill in the queue which everyone should do knowing CCPs performance with previous patches.


Why should I be paying someone AND have to think form them?
Aron Binchiette
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2013-02-19 23:01:08 UTC
I think that th Brutix should have had its rep bonus switched for a falloff bonus. i know active tanking was just buffed but that does not help the major downfall of the brutix, that is it 5km range with Void loaded, i know hybrids are supposed to be close range but when you cant even hit at web range there is a problem
Banirtal Cadelanne
Extropic Industries
The Initiative.
#154 - 2013-02-19 23:02:01 UTC
Bubbleboylol wrote:
Flag Bravo wrote:
Bubbleboylol wrote:



Being able to refit and choose what and how you like to set things up is great! I am all for it, but not being forced into a certain setup on a certain ship of not my own choosing. I am sure some will agree with me and some will not, that is the great thing about having options and choices! But they are all slowly getting turned into ( "cookie cutter fit" ) that's all good, but what is the point if you can just look up the best fit put it on and call it good? so you can go out and fight and kill other ships that have the same cookie cutter setup? will that not get boring when you know every fight will be the same> and everyone will have the same fit? do you get what i am saying? it's hard to see and watch choices slowly get ripped away from being a long time player like myself.


Exactly. Being now forced into zhit fits is no fun at all. The fun was in the freedom to build and experiment, now its "put piece A into hole A, shove dongle B up orifice B" and so forth.
Dull.





Exactly my freaking point haha, They are simplifying the game because people complain it is to hard. Well if anyone was around playing World of warcraft back when it first started and the 3nd expansion people started complaining about how hard the game was having to do this little thing or compare things or experiment etc. Well 2 expansions later you log on to the game and you don't even have to do anything to get everything in the game anymore. and i quote "just by playing you get everything"..... The people ruined the game because there was always something wrong or to many options it took to long to do this or that etc. Now everyone is starting to leave the game. I know because i own shares in Activision the parent company of Blizzard. They tried to carter to the players to keep and or make there stocks rise and it screwed the players in the end. In no way am i saying EvE is remotely close to WoW in a playing sense but don't forget money and greed corrupts and if left unchecked will screw the bread givers. Just my opinion as I have seen it from the other side as well as the game side.


100% agree with you, make it easy and everyone will be playing the game for 3-4 months and get bored. What makes EVE interesting is that you have to think about your career and place in the universe!

Keep up the difficulty level
Aron Binchiette
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2013-02-19 23:03:53 UTC
Epsilon Bathana wrote:
Looks like some dev played with NPC vs drones settings again. Sad

After previous patch I switched to faction Sentries. The double Shields and Armor HP (up to 2.3k) allowed them to actually have some time in space and I didn't have to reduce my DPS to 80% or even 60% most of the time. With this patch they are dropping like flies. At a price tag of 3-4M each, that is expensive ammo. Maybe I should "adjust" like everybody else and drop drones and missiles and stick with guns (projectiles?)


i use a mwd blaster proteus for lvl 4's it can be run cap stable with a mean rep when fit right
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#156 - 2013-02-19 23:04:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Ris Dnalor
SMT008 wrote:
Listain Kurvorra wrote:
Okay so is there a point to taking away one highslot from the drake, it already does crap for damage as is.... why dont we just take all damage away and make it a floating trash can I want my highslot back. lets not even get into the sig radius. I spent all that time working into a drake and for what now the ship is **** I want my isk back or my ship back one or the other.


Yes, there is a point.

With the 10% bonus to Kinetic damage instead of 5%, that's a net buff in DPS.

Also, it costs less to fit (-1 Launcher).

I get 726 DPS with my HAM Drake, About 500 with my PODLA Drake. But then again you probably don't know what a PODLA Drake is.



I myself thought this would be a reduction in damage, but after reading your post I did this:


let's make it easy to follow and assume 100 dps per launcher.

7 launchers at 100 dps each x 25% damage bonus = 875 dps

6 launchers at 100 dps each x 50% damage bonus = 900 dps

not a big increase, but not a decrease.

what about battlecruiser 4,3,2,1? Using the same base of 100 dps per turret you get:

Old: 840 - 805 - 770 - 735

New: 840 - 780 - 720 - 660


So that's a different picture depending how far you trained Battlecruiser.


Difference in damage by Battlecruiser level. - The percents are what matters here.

5 - + 25 dps ( +2.86% )
4 - no change
3 - -25 dps ( -2.86% )
2 - 50 dps ( -5.71% )
1 - 75 dps (-8.57% )

So with lots of training you can do more damage than before, but below level 4 there is now less dps to be had.

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Ramius Decimus
Daitengu Fleet
#157 - 2013-02-19 23:04:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramius Decimus
Listain Kurvorra wrote:
Okay so is there a point to taking away one highslot from the drake, it already does crap for damage as is.... why dont we just take all damage away and make it a floating trash can I want my highslot back. lets not even get into the sig radius. I spent all that time working into a drake and for what now the ship is **** I want my isk back or my ship back one or the other.

You idiot. It does the same damage with six launchers that it did with seven and you save on ammunition usage. I reckon that's much better than it previously was. Read all the facts first before assuming and making yourself look like a moron.

Granted, I do miss the range bonus of the Drake pre-Retribution...

Rear Admiral

Commander-in-Chief

90th Fleet

Caldari Navy
Dheeradj Nurgle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#158 - 2013-02-19 23:16:56 UTC
Jesus, this thread reads like a techblog being discussed by politicians.

You guys had plenty of warning. Drake Missile Nerf? You must be playing a different game. Caldari useless for PvP? Naga's, Harpies, Rokhs, Drakes, MOA'S(This baby got a life!) Cyclone being made usefull? HOSHI it's a nerf, I r stupid to fit ship.


My only real gripe is that screen shaking. Sure, it's nice, but after some time it gets anoying to look at. And the AAR seems a bit.....useless, but I shall get back to this after actually getting a chance at using it.

Other than that, Pro Patch.
Banirtal Cadelanne
Extropic Industries
The Initiative.
#159 - 2013-02-19 23:16:58 UTC
minerboob wrote:
Update itself didnt go that well for me....

Update FAILED
Repair FAILED
Update #2 FAILED
Update #3 with "higher permissions" Failed


Deleted EvE and now re-downloading

not impressed. Cry



Same ****
Banirtal Cadelanne
Extropic Industries
The Initiative.
#160 - 2013-02-19 23:24:04 UTC
Banirtal Cadelanne wrote:
minerboob wrote:
Update itself didnt go that well for me....

Update FAILED
Repair FAILED
Update #2 FAILED
Update #3 with "higher permissions" Failed


Deleted EvE and now re-downloading

not impressed. Cry



Same ****



Biggest issue, I live in Africa, where a ADHL line equates to a 56kb modem. This will take me days to download