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D'uce
The Stormcrows
#1 - 2013-02-19 22:00:08 UTC
So after hearing so much about the added benefits of running an alt I took advantage of the Start Sidekick account... So far he's just collecting dust training up skills. I'd like to ideally use him to run a second battleship for mission running to speed things up. After tinkering around with my speedpad and its hotkey program I am unable to get it setup right to work with multiple accounts.

So.......

Are there any free programs that someone could point me to so I can run 2 accounts wtihout having to screen flip? I'm just looking for something simple that I can use to move my ships to target area, lock a target with both craft, control weapons, tanking and drones without having to bounce back and forth between screens a lot. I get most of my game time while at work so the faster I can do things in game the better off I am.

I know I know this has been posted to death. However for some reason when I try to search for something along these lines I keep getting web page can't be displayed or some random thread list that has nothing to do with this.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-02-19 22:02:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
Some might say what you are describing might possibly be construed as "botting"... just saying. Blink

Personally, I just use more than one monitor.

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The Troll Bridge
#3 - 2013-02-19 22:04:03 UTC
Botting is bad mmkay.

Run both clients in windowed mode and split screen it...or use 2 monitors.

Refer back to Botting being bad mmkay.

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CCP BunnyVirus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2013-02-19 22:04:25 UTC
D'uce wrote:
So after hearing so much about the added benefits of running an alt I took advantage of the Start Sidekick account... So far he's just collecting dust training up skills. I'd like to ideally use him to run a second battleship for mission running to speed things up. After tinkering around with my speedpad and its hotkey program I am unable to get it setup right to work with multiple accounts.

So.......

Are there any free programs that someone could point me to so I can run 2 accounts wtihout having to screen flip? I'm just looking for something simple that I can use to move my ships to target area, lock a target with both craft, control weapons, tanking and drones without having to bounce back and forth between screens a lot. I get most of my game time while at work so the faster I can do things in game the better off I am.

I know I know this has been posted to death. However for some reason when I try to search for something along these lines I keep getting web page can't be displayed or some random thread list that has nothing to do with this.


This is such a dark grey area i would advice you not do it.Roll

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D'uce
The Stormcrows
#5 - 2013-02-19 22:06:35 UTC
I was told that using a program to do this was not ''bad''. In fact I was told to search the forums or ask about which programs to use.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-02-19 22:06:51 UTC
It's called ISBoxer and it's not a dark grey area, it's allowed.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#7 - 2013-02-19 22:08:46 UTC
D'uce wrote:
I was told that using a program to do this was not ''bad''. In fact I was told to search the forums or ask about which programs to use.


CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
This is such a dark grey area i would advice you not do it.


/thread.

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D'uce
The Stormcrows
#8 - 2013-02-19 22:10:14 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's called ISBoxer and it's not a dark grey area, it's allowed.


See now this is all I hear... Its "Bad" or "Not allowe" then someone comes along "It's allowed" *Throws papers up in frustration*
Google Voices
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-02-19 22:21:17 UTC
D'uce wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's called ISBoxer and it's not a dark grey area, it's allowed.


See now this is all I hear... Its "Bad" or "Not allowe" then someone comes along "It's allowed" *Throws papers up in frustration*



Isboxer has been discussed at length, and the definitive answer seems to be "it's Allowed".

However it clearly violates the EULA.

"3.You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

Seems clear that if you are using it to facilitate faster acquisition of items, it shouldn't be a grey area, it should be a breach of the EULA.

However, in the interest of facilitating CCP making more money, the rules seem to bend around it... Cool


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Ryuji Takemiya
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-02-19 22:24:27 UTC
D'uce wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's called ISBoxer and it's not a dark grey area, it's allowed.


See now this is all I hear... Its "Bad" or "Not allowe" then someone comes along "It's allowed" *Throws papers up in frustration*


Confirming that it's allowed. I know two players that use it.

I don't necessarily agree with it, but I don't write the rules.
Mund Richard
#11 - 2013-02-19 22:29:13 UTC
D'uce wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's called ISBoxer and it's not a dark grey area, it's allowed.
See now this is all I hear... Its "Bad" or "Not allowe" then someone comes along "It's allowed" *Throws papers up in frustration*

The thing reminds me of how 'evil empires' are in fiction. It's not illegal, as long as you are not caught.

Technically, EULA can be used for anything, and if not, they just re-write it to make it happen anyways.
How much they enforce it or not...

"We want PvE activities to require active participation and mirror PvP more closely." Stacking penalty for NPC EWAR then? Lock range under 9km from over 100 in a BS is not fun. Nor is two NPC web drones making me crawl 10m/s. PvP SW-900 x5: 75m/s.
Orlacc
#12 - 2013-02-19 22:29:56 UTC
On the other hand, why raise an alt that is a duplicate. My alts do things my main can't do.

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-02-19 22:32:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Destination SkillQueue
D'uce wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's called ISBoxer and it's not a dark grey area, it's allowed.


See now this is all I hear... Its "Bad" or "Not allowe" then someone comes along "It's allowed" *Throws papers up in frustration*

I think the confusion comes from the fact, that some functions of the program are allowed instead of just blanket allowing of programs. What is accepted is replication of keystrokes, since you're still there controlling the action. That just inputs the same commands on multiple clients at the same time. Once the program is making commands for you, you're deep in the dark gray area and will get into trouble if caught.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#14 - 2013-02-19 22:37:10 UTC
Dual monitors. A week after you make the leap, you'll never know how you ever got along without it.

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Ckra Trald
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-02-19 22:53:42 UTC
D'uce wrote:
So after hearing so much about the added benefits of running an alt I took advantage of the Start Sidekick account... So far he's just collecting dust training up skills. I'd like to ideally use him to run a second battleship for mission running to speed things up. After tinkering around with my speedpad and its hotkey program I am unable to get it setup right to work with multiple accounts.

So.......

Are there any free programs that someone could point me to so I can run 2 accounts wtihout having to screen flip? I'm just looking for something simple that I can use to move my ships to target area, lock a target with both craft, control weapons, tanking and drones without having to bounce back and forth between screens a lot. I get most of my game time while at work so the faster I can do things in game the better off I am.

I know I know this has been posted to death. However for some reason when I try to search for something along these lines I keep getting web page can't be displayed or some random thread list that has nothing to do with this.


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Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-02-19 22:54:09 UTC
D'uce wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
It's called ISBoxer and it's not a dark grey area, it's allowed.


See now this is all I hear... Its "Bad" or "Not allowe" then someone comes along "It's allowed" *Throws papers up in frustration*

That is because of what you are asking to do.

What you are asking to do cannot be done with ISBoxer. You are, essentially, asking to automate a series of tasks for both accounts and that is not allowed.

ISBoxer copies key strokes over to the second account. So you still have to do everything yourself and it just copies it over.

At the end of the day, I would suggest not doing that either but it is up to you.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#17 - 2013-02-19 23:01:10 UTC
A second monitor would solve your problems. They're not that expensive nowadays.
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-02-19 23:14:10 UTC
D'uce wrote:
So after hearing so much about the added benefits of running an alt I took advantage of the Start Sidekick account... So far he's just collecting dust training up skills. I'd like to ideally use him to run a second battleship for mission running to speed things up. After tinkering around with my speedpad and its hotkey program I am unable to get it setup right to work with multiple accounts.

So.......

Are there any free programs that someone could point me to so I can run 2 accounts wtihout having to screen flip? I'm just looking for something simple that I can use to move my ships to target area, lock a target with both craft, control weapons, tanking and drones without having to bounce back and forth between screens a lot. I get most of my game time while at work so the faster I can do things in game the better off I am.

I know I know this has been posted to death. However for some reason when I try to search for something along these lines I keep getting web page can't be displayed or some random thread list that has nothing to do with this.



To clear the "confusion"

The highlighted text is where your going to run into a problem and likely end up getting banned if you aren't very, very careful.

To be specific about the "grey area"

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Quote:
After tinkering around with my speedpad and its hotkey program I am unable to get it setup right to work with multiple accounts.


3.You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play.


and....

Quote:
so the faster I can do things in game the better off I am.


3.You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play.



That said, ISBoxer DOES NOT ACCELERATE RATE OF PLAY OR USE MACROS and so it is legal to use.

And to be clear, using a website and other "tools" to update 30 market orders per minute for 10-20 minutes at a time is what constitutes "accelerated rate" and gets you banned and starts a ****storm.


OP that was a very badly worded post.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#19 - 2013-02-19 23:34:41 UTC
Although isboxer is allowed, there seems to be a growing unease with many players about it being allowed. That is, maybe it would be better for the game of Eve if the rules were amended so its not allowed. Some of this is fueled by the 30 pilot fleets of ice miners all being flown by one player using these keystroke duplicators.

Hence, its becoming grey.

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Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-02-19 23:45:38 UTC
I run 3 accounts but i hate dualboxing, i just use them for different things.

On the first account I have a subcap pilot which only does pvp.

On the 2nd im running a capital pilot (with the goal of becoming supercap) and a Jita market alt, because of the high skill requirements it takes waay too long time to get into caps and fly all the popular pvp fleets with a single character.

On the 3rd account i have a industrial pilot which lives in a totally different place from the others and just farm passive isk.

So this is a example of what you can do without ever logging into more then 1 of the accounts at a time and the good thing is that if you want to downsize you can move characters together to one account once you are happy with their training.
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