EVE General Discussion

EXACTLY!!!

Rather than catering to a few tens of thousands hard-core PVPers that would get pretty tired of teh same old fights over and over again pretty quickly, CCP decided to embrace other play styles, INCLUDING carebears.


CONCORD, NPC corps, no insurance for CORDED losses, no escaping concord, exhumer buffs, the new bounty system and ability to transfer kill rights, on and on and on. ALL designed to support multiple play styles.

The problem is not that CCP is trying to attract players with various play styles. The problem is that the PVPers still think of these carebears as potential targets. IF you begin killing carebears at a pace that makes the carebears quit the game, then CCP will bring in more buffs, nerfs, mechanics or other rules as necessary to ensure you do not succeed in driving the carebears away.

Accept that, and go back to figuring out how to PVP against other PVPers instead of lamenting that it is not profitable to gank carebears.

Like many of the problems I've seen in this game that have caused me to quit before and probably will again in the future it boils down to CCP making things easier. I'm sure their reasoning is to make it easier for a new player to compete against an old vet like myself and that they think that is a noble act. But, in the end they just make it easier for the lazy to get fat chewing the cud in high sec and never exerience the joys of low sec or the agony and ecstasy of holding space in 0.0.

This is a 2-fer!

A lie inside a lie.....
"In a game about piracy and war"

Maybe that is what EVE is about to you. It is not about those things to me, which is why CCP has created mechanisms that largely allow me to avoid privacy and way. EVE is a sandbox that is about whatever you want it to be about for you.


"easier for the lazy to get fat chewing the cud in high sec and never exerience the joys of low sec or the agony and ecstasy of holding space in 0.0. "

You call lazy, I call playing how I enjoy playing. I've been to low and null, and let others dictate when I could play and how I had to play. Screw that. I'll quit a game where I'm forced to let one AFK cloaker block me from playing for weeks on end. Oh.. so much joy... NOT!!!!!


CCP has two choices... make the game appeal to a broad range of play styles, and profit... or keep the game cold and harsh and appealing to a narrow market that will doom them to financial hardship.

They've chosen the first option. Accept it and move on.


EVE is about whatever each individual player wants it to be about for them. No play style is more "valid" than any other.

Exactly, and the new dueling system will make can baiting something only done for the truly douchearrific. Want your 1 vs 1 PvP fights without everyone and their dog jumping in and ruining it? Now you can do exactly that! And I look forward to grabbing popcorn and watching "Hi-sec Fight Club" outside of the newbie stations because it will be an all-you-can-eat PvP show 23/7.

Making the game easier for newbies to learn and understand is a laudable goal. Unfortunately most people think this means making highsec safe and easy. That is simply not the case for example what's one thing you always see newbies mention, they mention that it takes so long to do something moderately well. No increase in highsec safety will fix that, instead reducing training times and making T1 ships more forgiving would be the solution to that. Thankfully they've already started on improving T1 ships. Fixing the UI and making it intuitive would be a huge leap in newbie accessibility as well.

Mining ganking is at historic lows because they were NOT in for the PvP but only for farming intact armor plates.
Now that 90% are using Retrievers, they are still well gankable but don't drop the golden eggs any more and the "real PvP" (if you call it that) excuse has dropped like a cold hard stone in the ocean.

am i the only one who finds it interesting that the people complaining about the dueling system are null sec carebear/ gankers/scammers?

this should incur a negative standings hit if nothing happens, something like calling the police then hanging up, maybe a strike system and if you troll concord enough they blow you up lol.

Yea. There is little doubt the loudest complaints are coming from self serving interests from 0.0 carebear land.

I mean, how can anyone not read this and see its full of narcissistic self interest wrapped up in a convenient "Im concerned for the game" false argument.

The post doesn't live up to the title.

Looking at the big picture:

The old crimewatch system was so complicated that CCP had to contract out to another firm to sort it all out. That does not help the game, it just leaves a bunch of baffling, counter-intuitive traps lying around for new players. The new system is cleaner and simpler and less of a load on the servers. It's better at lining intention up with consequence, which is a good thing: it means that new PVPers and new bears are less likely to WTF over some completely bizarre effect of their actions.

The insurance nerf and the mining barge rebalance come after the buff to destroyers--twice, now, because they got another pass during tiericide, the buff to hybrids, and the introduction of tier 3 (soon, "attack") BCs. Viewed that way, they're just finishing a wholesale rebalance. It's not a slippery slope to perfect safety, it's just the yang to the yin of a massive buff to cheap DPS. Expect haulers to get enhanced defenses as well, and that will probably be the end of that.

Given that CCP is moving away from having NPCs provide goods and services, I imagine that highsec particularly, and empire space generally, are going to change in a way that does not lead to a safer, easier high sec, but which does lead to a better, more engaging game. It may take them several releases to get there, but it's pretty clear that they want players to be in control of the means of production, not relying on implausibly cheap and infinitely safe NPC stations.