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Reviewing the EVE NPE

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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#21 - 2013-01-22 04:15:25 UTC
A few of the problems I had with the tutorial have conjoined into a feature request:

Right now, the tutorial says that everyone in lowsec will shoot you--which is not completely untrue. It also basically ignores the existence of D-scan, and of the shiny new camera behavior that makes using D-scan so much easier. So what CCP should do is have tutorial missions that explore the use of D-scan, with Aura introducing the interface and how it works with the checkbox options in the Selected Item window and the Overview, so that you learn to have an awareness of what's around you. Then mention that when alone, or outside of CONCORD's purview, it's a great way to stay alert and alive.

That will go some ways to removing the fear that a lot of new players have of lowsec, in my experience. It will also prepare them for wormhole life, and nullsec life, and high sec mining. Lol

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Ila Gant
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-01-22 04:58:47 UTC
I recently started running a Caldari character through the Combat funnel. The missions grant a Condor and some launchers, but the character never had the missile skill, and either I blew through the Aura tutorial that granted the book, or it's an oversight. Same thing for the industry missions. Had to go buy Industry. I was doing the missions for the standings bump, but found the gaps and cliffs odd.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#23 - 2013-01-22 05:44:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Dersen Lowery wrote:
6) Instead of the current haphazard delivery of basic skillbooks, please consider having Aura "prepare" the capsuleer for various careers in advance, and hand out the relevant skillbooks at that time so the player has an opportunity to train for one while running another. The scanning tutorial in particular would go a lot better in a scanning frigate with Astrometrics at 3 or 4. Mission agents should hand out rewards, not basic needs. Done right, this would obviate the need for civilian modules completely.

This.

Some skillbooks are handed out twice, others not at all. There are enough people in the rookie chat to help the rookies with advice on any problems, still that should not be necessary.

If they get all their skillbooks in advance and know they'll need to train the stuff for the next storyline, they can prepare. It also helps them to get into the planning of skill training.

Civilian modules are a nuisance and need to disappear. Also there should be only one source of modules. As it is now, some modules are handed out by the tutorial, others by the storyline missions. It's simply confusing.

Also add an option in the Agents dialogue, to get a new sample of passkeys in the scanning storyline. I did hand out a couple of old ones to desperate rookies who got blown up while transporting them in their cargo. They are available on contracts only and depending on availability, prices can be crazy from a rookie perspective.

Remove standings and insurance.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#24 - 2013-01-22 05:58:06 UTC
Nice thread.

Good to see something productive and useful being posted on the forums.

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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2013-02-19 15:43:22 UTC
I went through the NPE, and even did the career missions... as part of the requirements to join E-Uni. Then I spent most of my time reading Eve encyclopedia, and the E-uni wiki, as well as PVP blogs like EveAltruist.

To play this game, you need to know how to find information on your own. If a new player can't do that, I suppose the new player isn't wanted by either the community or the developers.

"Throw the child into the deep end, if it swims, good! If not, the child wasn't wanted anyway." In fact, if the child cries or whines, all the more the community would turn hostile towards it.

Eve attracts a certain kind of player. The community and environment culls the rest.

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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#26 - 2013-02-19 15:52:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersen Lowery
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Eve attracts a certain kind of player. The community and environment culls the rest.


You are obviously quite proud of the fact that you are one of the people who hasn't been culled. At least, not yet.

EVE will require a great deal of research and initiative whether or not the NPE is well-organized, and whether or not it presents accurate information. It can't possibly hope to teach new players everything; for one thing, the only way to really learn how to fly a ship is to fly it until its capabilities are intuitive to you. That said, although I was never a member, I found the EVE University wiki soon after joining, and benefited a great deal from reading it.

I would just like the NPE to teach the basics correctly, which it currently fails to do. Incorrect tutorials are worse than useless.

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Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#27 - 2013-02-19 16:29:39 UTC
CCP, please hire the OP for your QA Department (or equivalent). That is all.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#28 - 2013-02-19 17:37:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Nicely done OP, without feedback like this the NPE would still consist of "here's a ship, try not to die".

The agents not handing out civilian codebreakers and analysers has been documented before, I brought it up in the NCQA subforum a while back, at first I thought it was because I ran the missions in a certain order, others mentioned that they have done them in the same order and received the modules, so it appears to be inconsistent and random.

Some of the tutorial missions hand out inappropriate skillbooks & modules for the race of your character, I ran the Amarr missions to start fixing my abysmal standings, I received a shield tanking skillbook & module from an Amarr agent.

My review of the tutorials is here if anybody is interested.

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Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#29 - 2013-02-20 00:10:05 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
the ability to drag certificates onto the training queue--at least the Basic ones--would be incredibly handy.



QFT.
Celestra Doxaila
MinTek Tactical Division
#30 - 2013-02-21 05:14:36 UTC
Came expecting Null Pointer Exceptions... found a really nice writeup.
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