EVE General Discussion

Quoted because ... well, that was bad.

*lol*
No, it wouldn't change anything if he was from the goons. It probably wouldn't change anything if he was
from all the others, because i wouldn't consider any of these people dumb enough to make such a thread
and meaning it seriously.

It'd still be a troll, no matter what, and you'd still be an idiot for thinking that the OP isn't trolling.
But hey, you believe what you want anyway ... *lol*

The way I see it, people bot for two reasons:

1. The game mechanic is so tedious and boring that it is simply impossible for human being to perform it for the requisite amount of hours without suffering permanent brain damage.

2. The amount of requisite hours is too much for an average person to handle.

Both of these are game design flaws, not player flaws.

Case in point - mining in EVE. Find me someone who thinks that this is just absolutely the most fun activity ever. By itself, without bringing PvP or social aspects into it. You'll find nobody except some seriously messed up people, possibly with a history of substance abuse.

Another example is skill leveling in Darkfall. Where the best/fastest/easiest way to level your endurance, so you could run faster and longer, was to jump into the water, aim yourself at a sheer shore cliffside, put a heavy weight onto your W key and walk away for a few days. Yes, eventually most people would get max endurance from regular gameplay, but it took years of casual game time. Whereas you could just "bot" (even though this is not really botting, no 3rd party software is used) your way to maximum which in turn was a significant quality of life increase for your character. When travel time was measured in hours, being able to sprint faster and longer was kind of a big deal.

Both of these are example of hideously flawed game design. Plain and simple. If you want to stop botting, don't make a game with hideously flawed design choices. It's that simple. When every activity in the game is active, involving, addictive and FUN, people won't bot. Not because they can't. Not because they would get punished. But because they would want to have fun playing the game in the first place. It's that simple.

Maybe they should make it possible for you to drop a deployable relatively cheap tower that mine belts for you and you just need to protect it from others, i mean we are in the future right ? everything should be run by robots, and it would make the game more fun for miners, kind of how moons work.

that said the mackinaw is basically legalizing highsec miner bots

legalizing botting is an idea I bring up every now and then in trade channels and instead of "YESSS, less menial order updating, more time to focus on strategy. Algorithmic trading, here we go!" the usual reaction is "OMG this would kill trading! how can you even suggest something like this!"

People abhor the idea of having to think.

Equally unrelated: With "Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion" on the Xbox, after doing the Mages Guild intro I made custom spells in all disciplines that did 1 point of whatever, lasted 1 second and cost 1 mana. Since mana regenerates fast than that (as EvE would say, it was "cap stable") I would then max all my magic skills by picking a spell and clamping a pair of pliers to the controller to hold down the X button, thus creating improve auto-casting unto infinity (or until I took the pliers off).

I wonder if that would be considered botting by CCP's twisted definitions? After all, no 3rd party software was involved. Hardware on the other hand...

This thread can only go places.

When I lose a ship to another player I NEVER talk in local. Talking in local gains me nothing. So its not that simple.

Bots mess up the economy, which effects everyone. Its not a victimless activity. It should not be allowed.

Get a job at Mc Donalds working one 4 hour shift one day per week

Thats would be 4 Subscriptions per month, and maybe a free burger and fries to boot

Do it

…and speaking of botting, I just discovered that my Roomba is racist!