Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, since it is possible to use local for intel, you have to in order to compete.

This includes using it to avoid conflicts.

Seriously, when the bar is lowered, there is no choice to do it differently.
That's the whole point of being dumbed down.

The point of competing is that your opponent can also fail at it.
They can't fail if they can avoid it entirely, by using easy mode.

clearly i am posting to protect goonswarm federation's massive renter empire

the one that rents our space in [...]

also clearly we should make nullsec PvE so hilariously unprofitable by forcing people to do it in teams, despite the fact that they're horrible to run in groups, not that they'd just run L4s in hisec anyway since it'd not only be less effort and less risk, but more worth your time

goddamn that will surely get people coming to nullsec in droves

Wormhole space =/= Normal space with no local and I think you know that.

Wormhole space is much harder to find than normal systems and you cannot use the map to determine traffic through or in them as you can with normal space. Especially when looking for a specific wormhole (see Rooks and Kings Clarion Call 3) and in any case of all the traffic that goes through local in a connecting normal space system you can be sure that only a fraction will even put out probes to find a wormhole. It is much more feasible to assume you are safe even without scouts jumping in a warping around in a wormhole than a null sec system in normal space system.

On the other hand you have normal space, if you can push F10 you can find any given system you like, how to get there and what kind of traffic you're looking at. The connections are also always the same rather than changing every 16-24 hours and so getting pinned down is not so big an issue, you still know where the gates lead tomorrow. I tried living in a wormhole before for about 3 months. Having to probe out your exit gets very tedious very fast and is the reason I left. I lost no ships at all to anything while living there and I only ever even checked d-scan for about the first 3 days.

I'm not saying that I can't find things on d-scan alone, I've lived in low sec since 2008, chances are I'm faster at it than most people out there. What I'm saying is that with no local you have to check EVERY LAST SYSTEM all the time whether hunting or scouting a freighter or anything in between. Suddenly a two hour roam is uneventful as you have to stop and scan everything because who knows right? Ships at a POS would be a pain but I'd just set my overview up to show force fields myself, still very tedious to find them all (the fact that I thought of that immediately and you've suggested a mechanical change makes me think I'm probably better friends with d-scan than you are). I use local when roaming so I can know if a system is a waste of time to scan in but even the empty systems often have ships on scan. So do me a favor, minimize your local window and leave it there for a month straight, see how you like it, it won't be a true representation of what the game would be like with no local but you'd have a better idea of what you're are personally in for. I would also suggest you roam solo because if you just get someone else to find targets for you it will defeat the purpose.

Now on to the last thing when you said you'd expect the opposite of what I suggested and people would be more willing to engage if local went out the window and you're not the first to suggest it, no one gives any reasoning why this might be the case, it's just kind of asserted on the basis that no one knows you're there, I would assume they would see you then check for your backup first since local won't tell them anything. Given how few people will actually willingly fight anything that looks even, I refuse to believe that ignorance will be bliss for these people. I can't say I know for sure how people will react to no local but given the degree of risk aversion I see already I find it impossible to believe they will suddenly be willing to warp to top belt and start ratting because no one was on the gate. Furthermore, given how lazy the average person is they just like me will not want to have to scan the crap out of every system, remember also that few systems are covered corner to corner from your entry gate. So please explain why you think you will get the opposite reaction, try to imagine getting your way and local goes away and imagine it from both from the aggressor and victim side of things and then tell me honestly that when you were on the victim's side it the result wouldn't make you more cautious next time. You're not the first to say no local will lead to more fights but I really DON'T see it and it sounds very much like wishful thinking and creative (irrational) psychology to me.

Read. The. Thread. Before. Posting.

Local in null should be a sov upgrade purchase, and even then it should only show recent travellers from gates to the corp/alliance that owns those gates, if they want a version like hi-sec they should have to upgrade it yet again with some sort of hi-powered radar module which can pick up all pilots in the system and display them in the local channel.

This should also be an expensive module to run which would limit to being used only in systems where they do a lot of mining/ratting etc etc, to make it worthwhile. Another isk sink yes?

In faction low sec.. only visible to the appropriate faction who have access to their races "comms"?

Just my 2 cents.

This!

Small effort equals small reward.
Large effort, such as by a group, equals a large reward. And logically, it should be more than a solo effort would yield for it's members, so they have a reason to coordinate and work together.

Ad Hominem much?

For myself, I will spare you the effort, my kill board looks like garbage.

This is to put ideas out. Feel free to attack them. The posters themselves are not useful targets.

yeah i live in null too. the only ppl who get to define who belongs and who doesnt is CCP really. but the desired gameplay from large alliances in null is teamwork for greater rewards. Much of null sec sticks to this, but, when it comes to running sites players, just like urself, are abhorrent of the idea of team work and sharing.

null sec is also very safe space. as ppl will tell u, its safer than low sec. if u dnt agree with that then it is in fact you who has a warped perception of how this game works.

nowhere have i said that hi-sec should be the only place isk is made. it should probably be the preferred place to make isk for the risk averse, casual players or loners, yet there are plenty such players in null.