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SMT008

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

Likes received: 806

#1 - 2013-02-01 10:05:45 UTC

Hello there,

The new Retribution 1.1 EFT files have been released on Failheap Challenge. Flex your EFTwarrioring muscles, here they are :

30/01/13 Retribution EFT Files REPLACE

Those files include :

PWG reduction on all sub-capital local armor reps
Last version of BC rebalancing
Ancillary Armor Repairer
Armor tanking rigs changes

In this thread, post the ships you look forward to fly, post Retribution 1.1.

Here are some of mines :

Brutix - AAR

Cyclone - New Welpfleet

Harbinger - Finally something that fits

Megathron - Small gang

Thorax - AAR

Wolf - FW

Go ahead and show us your new and upgraded death-machines.

Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 2,240
Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel Likes received: 2,240	#2 - 2013-02-01 10:43:15 UTC 2 Well there goes my weekend Thanks a lot.. BYDI recruitment closed-ish

East Trading Co Ltd 283
Deerin East Trading Co Ltd Likes received: 283	#3 - 2013-02-01 11:12:25 UTC 1 Garviel Tarrant wrote: Well there goes my weekend Thanks a lot.. LOL same here

Aliastra 1,109
BadAssMcKill Aliastra Likes received: 1,109	#4 - 2013-02-02 06:13:12 UTC 1 Looking forward to messing around with the new Cyclone, thanks to whoever made the files

Roime

Mea Culpa.

Shadow Cartel

Likes received: 4,407

#5 - 2013-02-03 19:20:14 UTC

Here's my AAR Brutix

[Brutix, AAR]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Co-Processor II

10MN Microwarpdrive II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Warp Scrambler II

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Valkyrie II x5

Great module

Merin Ryskin

Peregrine Industries

Likes received: 439

#6 - 2013-02-03 23:04:01 UTC

Cyclone gets interesting. Still fast, but now without those pesky issues like "range" or "tracking" to worry about. For example:

[Cyclone, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment II
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I

Hammerhead II x5

550+ dps, 600+ dps tanked while the cap charges last, fast as hell with the gang bonus, and full tackle to make sure nothing gets away. And if you don't like being nice to your friends you can put neuts in your high slots and gain enough fitting room for more tank, a third BCU, etc.


Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries Likes received: 439	#7 - 2013-02-03 23:09:26 UTC 1 Roime wrote: Heresy. What is this heresy? Anything but neutron IIs on a Brutix? No speed bonus gang mod in your new high slot? Why are you worrying about silly things like tanking, your job is to run your enemy down, tackle them, and KILL THEM WITH 9999999999 DPS. If your Brutix is getting less than 900 dps you're doing it wrong.

Goldensaver

Maraque Enterprises

Just let it happen

Likes received: 434

#8 - 2013-02-04 06:53:02 UTC | Edited by: Goldensaver

Merin Ryskin wrote:

Roime wrote:

Heresy.

What is this heresy? Anything but neutron IIs on a Brutix? No speed bonus gang mod in your new high slot? Why are you worrying about silly things like tanking, your job is to run your enemy down, tackle them, and KILL THEM WITH 9999999999 DPS. If your Brutix is getting less than 900 dps you're doing it wrong.

I'm fairly certain he was trying to be ironic by making an "AAR" fit that used an XL-ASB. A stealth "armour sucks, nerf shield" post.

My only issue with these posts is that the disparity between shields and armour is already well known, and I'm getting sick and tired of seeing these posts popping up. It's getting almost as bad as the AFK cloaking whine over in F&I. No offense Roime. It's just my tolerance for these kinds of posts is getting quite little, and I'm almost at the point due to all the ****posts out there that I'm intolerant to almost any of it, no matter how reasonable it is. So many posts already of stupid things like "hurr, make shield reduce speed, increase mass, and triple all shield fitting requirements harharhar!"


BadAssMcKill Aliastra Likes received: 1,109	#9 - 2013-02-04 07:25:28 UTC \| Edited by: BadAssMcKill 1 Merin Ryskin wrote: Stuff That is an awful fit For one you've got no resists not even a DCUII and for some reason 3 nanos 2 you've only got one asb and those rigs would make 2 asbs work worse 3 unbonused links aren't all that great and 2 medium neuts would serve you far better

Merin Ryskin

Peregrine Industries

Likes received: 439

#10 - 2013-02-04 08:03:33 UTC | Edited by: Merin Ryskin

BadAssMcKill wrote:

For one you've got no resists not even a DCUII and for some reason 3 nanos

It's called CPU. 2 nanos would be ideal, but you don't have CPU for it if you want to be nice to your friends. You'll also note that I did say that if you don't have friends to be nice to you take the gang mod off and have the option to take that DCUII or other tank bonuses.

As for resists, who cares. To get resists you'd have to use a smaller booster and give up mids. X-large and surviving on raw boost amount wins because it uses one mid slot for your tank.

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2 you've only got one asb and those rigs would make 2 asbs work worse

So which mid would you like to give up to switch to dual large ASB which accomplishes absolutely nothing besides freeing up some grid you don't care about?

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3 unbonused links aren't all that great and 2 medium neuts would serve you far better

Err, lol? Let me get this straight, you honestly think that 28% more speed boost/40% more tackle range/etc for your entire fleet are "not all that great"?

If you're flying in a gang that doesn't already have someone bringing better bonuses you'd have to be insane to take an extra neut over that bonus.

Roime

Mea Culpa.

Shadow Cartel

Likes received: 4,407

#11 - 2013-02-04 11:17:08 UTC | Edited by: Roime

Merin Ryskin wrote:

Roime wrote:

Heresy.

[Brutix, Ganko Nuevo]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Reactor Control Unit II
Overdrive Injector System II

Large Shield Extender II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hammerhead II x5

2292 m/s
1190 dps
52.2K ehp

Doing it right now?

Here's the armor version that does over 1000dps, just to demonstrate how incredibly viable armor tanking is on this armor rep-bonused hull with the incredible new armor tank buffs.

[Brutix, Ganko Armor]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
NEW Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
[empty high slot]

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Hammerhead II x5

1751 m/s
1023 dps
49.6K EHP if you get all the MAAR cycles in

Requires PG3 and Geno set to fit.

All stats heated, all Vs

Quote:

I don't want shield nerfed, besides sanitizing ASB fitting requirements to prevent multiple oversized modules, but I was honestly hoping that active tanking would be the best choice on a hull that is designed for active armor tanking.

It is not going to happen in Retribution 1.1 and I'm disappointed.

This is not "shield is OP", it's "active armor tanking still never makes sense on BC hulls designed for it".


BadAssMcKill Aliastra Likes received: 1,109	#12 - 2013-02-04 17:14:26 UTC 1 Yeah and that bonus is from what ? Max skills and a mindlink? Most characters do not have this If you drop the in my opinion useless link you can do 3x BCU 1x Nano 1x Damage Control and still have room for 2 large ancillaries an invuln and neuts

Kusum Fawn

Perkone

Caldari State

Likes received: 571

#13 - 2013-02-04 19:32:02 UTC

I see these threads a lot, all the eft warrioring, and i can only ask one question

What is the baseline?

where do we try to balance our fits around to compare them all?
all v skills?
max skilled mindlinked ogb?
drugs?
3b in implants?

whats the baseline for comparing fittings?

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.


SMT008 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State Likes received: 806	#14 - 2013-02-04 20:09:23 UTC 1 All V, fitting implants are usually the baseline.

Merin Ryskin

Peregrine Industries

Likes received: 439

#15 - 2013-02-05 08:40:47 UTC

BadAssMcKill wrote:

Yeah and that bonus is from what ? Max skills and a mindlink? Most characters do not have this

So what? I have max skills and a mindlink, so why should I waste time on setups designed for people who don't have those skills?

Quote:

and still have room for 2 large ancillaries an invuln and neuts

So, why exactly are you throwing away a mid slot to fit dual large boosters instead of a single x-large when the only thing you gain is extra grid that you don't need?

Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 212
Namamai Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic Likes received: 212	#16 - 2013-02-06 22:32:38 UTC 3 I'm glad to see that people are enjoying my files :) I'd appreciate it if you let me post them here myself, though. I make regular updates to them as new devblogs / devposts are made, and your link can get out of date quickly.

Hedion University Amarr Empire 87
Mr Noo Hedion University Amarr Empire Likes received: 87	#17 - 2013-02-18 07:36:09 UTC 1 SMT008 wrote: Harbinger - Finally something that fits Harb: nothing change for Amarr in EVE


SMT008 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State Likes received: 806	#18 - 2013-02-18 09:21:20 UTC 1 Mr Noo wrote: SMT008 wrote: Harbinger - Finally something that fits Harb: nothing change for Amarr in EVE The MWD is turned off on this picture. What's the problem here ? It fits. It goes 909m/s when on, 1281m/s overloaded.

Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 38
Antonio Steele Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation Likes received: 38	#19 - 2013-02-18 20:58:40 UTC 1 found with the prophecy that if you use missile launchers an 1 repper with 4 hardners you have enough free PG to fit a 100mn AB, and can be made cap stable.