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Jita bots. Why are they tolerated?
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flakeys
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-02-16 11:04:12 UTC
Found chribba linky : here

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Whitehound
#22 - 2013-02-16 11:12:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Altrue wrote:
Why not just limitating the messages per account to, say, 10 per hour in jita local and other trade hubs ?

I have no love for Jita local either, but why do you want to dictate what others can and cannot do? Just stop looking at it. Minimize it while you are there or use block. Anyone who cannot do this deserves to suffer the spams and scams. How else are you going to learn to use the given tools?

Think about it. Why this obsession with Jita local?! Is it OCD, is ASCII killing you? Is it because the spammers won't let you get onto your soap box so you can talk to 2300 people? What is the real problem?! Lol

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Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-02-16 13:18:19 UTC
Altrue wrote:
Why not just limitating the messages per account to, say, 10 per hour in jita local and other trade hubs ?

In a system with thousands of players reading you, that's still amazingly high. And at least it would keep the flood under control.

Remember than flooding is basically a vicious circle, the more people do it, the more they feel compelled to do it to remain visible enough. And that's exponential.

Putting a hard cap on how many messages an account can write in Jita will relieve the server. Preventing trial account from talking in Jita would also force very determined spammer to use multiple accounts, so at least they would be paying CCP to handle the excessive server load they generate. Seems legit to me.

Its rare that I see a good idea on these forums..

This isnt one of those rare times though, terrible idea.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#24 - 2013-02-16 13:55:09 UTC
Spam bots in Jita aren't really that much of an issue. Now Jita market bots on the other hand....

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Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#25 - 2013-02-16 14:45:51 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Because CCP doesn't want to ban EULA abiding customers by mistake?


Yeah, little too late for that one.

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Yuki Shin-Jan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-02-16 14:57:22 UTC
I'd gather that it's just not a big enough issue to bother with at this point. I'm sure CCP has other, more pressing, matters to attend to.

Though, a relatively quick fix is for CCP to add a delay system to chat. So if a player exceeds a certain amount of posts per minute they are temp locked for 5mins from posting again. Simple to do and would only have to be used in the high traffic areas to save on resources.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#27 - 2013-02-16 15:00:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Pak Narhoo
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Captain Tardbar
So why do they exist and are not being investigated for botting?


Have a look ay any given time what percentage of players online are sitting in Jita.
It usually runs 4.6-5.1%.

Now, a lot of them are legit players, minding their own business.
But a substantial chunk are spammers and botters.

Why does CCP tolerate them?
Same reason they tolerate suicide gankers, or the goons.[/quote wrote:


We are talking alot of accounts, and CCP is loathe to ban those accounts.


You keep amazing me with your (lack off) posting skills.
What do people playing this game within the EULA have to do with botters and spammers?



If you have that much trouble with the people behind this game why don't you just pack your bags and leave?
Kestrix
The Whispering
#28 - 2013-02-16 17:21:22 UTC
Get rid of local in Jita?
stoicfaux
#29 - 2013-02-16 17:30:50 UTC
As always, the solution to botting is more botting.

Write a program to tail the chat logs. If a person is repeatedly spamming the same offer/message, then your program sends a few mouse clicks to your client and flags the person as ignore.

Just leave your client logged in while you're at work, and most of the spammers will be added to your ignore list within a few days.

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Skorpynekomimi
#30 - 2013-02-16 17:49:38 UTC
Same reason they tolerate all those nullsec ratting bots.

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Tempban Darkfall
Darkfall Corp
#31 - 2013-02-16 18:46:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tempban Darkfall
Because it costs CCP more money to police them than to not. They make more money by not caring and claim its because EVE is supposed to a "harsh" environment or someshit. I never believed that BS falcon spew that it benefits the game by making it more realistic and I feel bad for those who did.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2013-02-16 18:54:43 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
So why do they exist and are not being investigated for botting?

Because people are not reporting them?

Because there is a backlog of reports to process?

Reports only feed data to the algorithms, and does not trigger an actual investigation.

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#33 - 2013-02-16 18:56:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Altrue
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
Altrue wrote:
Why not just limitating the messages per account to, say, 10 per hour in jita local and other trade hubs ?

In a system with thousands of players reading you, that's still amazingly high. And at least it would keep the flood under control.

Remember than flooding is basically a vicious circle, the more people do it, the more they feel compelled to do it to remain visible enough. And that's exponential.

Putting a hard cap on how many messages an account can write in Jita will relieve the server. Preventing trial account from talking in Jita would also force very determined spammer to use multiple accounts, so at least they would be paying CCP to handle the excessive server load they generate. Seems legit to me.

Its rare that I see a good idea on these forums..

This isnt one of those rare times though, terrible idea.


It's rare I see a constructive answer on these forums...

Same thing here :p

Whitehound wrote:
Altrue wrote:
Why not just limitating the messages per account to, say, 10 per hour in jita local and other trade hubs ?

I have no love for Jita local either, but why do you want to dictate what others can and cannot do? Just stop looking at it. Minimize it while you are there or use block. Anyone who cannot do this deserves to suffer the spams and scams. How else are you going to learn to use the given tools?

Think about it. Why this obsession with Jita local?! Is it OCD, is ASCII killing you? Is it because the spammers won't let you get onto your soap box so you can talk to 2300 people? What is the real problem?! Lol


The problem is that closing your eyes to avoid an issue is not the proper solution. The fact that there are ways to avoid the issue does not mean that the issue can't be looked at.

The problem with Jita local is that it's been rendered unusable. Perhaps you don't mind botting taking away some features of the game, but I do.
Because of these spam bots, sometimes you can't access Jita as all the available slots are taken, and it generates a dispensable load on Jita's node...
Again, you might no be concerned by the issue, but when you live in a wormhole and you have a lucky connexion leading to high sec, you don't like being stuck outside simply because you were stuck out of Jita for hours (although I admit that most of the time it's more dozens of minuts).
So yes, I want to dictate what others can or can't do. Because these others are illegal bots having an impact on regular players. Like it or not, but I consider myself more legit than someone spamming Jita's local for days.

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-02-16 19:04:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Since Jita doesn't require Spam skill trained to level 5 that can't be trained on trial accounts in order to actually talk in Jita local, then I suppose it is impossible for CCP to silence the spam bots?

Although, that does bring to light an interesting counter: a chat skill for local based on some criteria specific to trade hubs tperhaps? IDK. I don't ever talk in Jita local anyway, so, I wouldn't care if I couldn't talk in Jita or Amarr.

I, personally, don't have a problem with the spam. It's like the TV. If I don't like what's being said I change the channel. And I think that's the easiet player based solution. On the other hand, there's no reason that they should get an exception from anti-bot enforcement.

If there was a vested skill to be able to spam hubs then CCP could also make it a isk sink where once you trained the skill you could spam X times a day each requiring a nominal fee.

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Clara Stewart
Stewart Collections
#35 - 2013-02-16 20:13:33 UTC
To be fair the spam has been good to me, I agree it can be annoying but sometimes there is a good contract dropped into local.
You can make an income from these contracts if you learn who is who in Jita local, the last one was about 3 weeks ago a fully fitted proteus for 300m doubled my isk on that prior to that a courier contract net me around 500m after the issuer failed to set a correct collateral.

If Jita local weren't so fast paced it would be likely someone else would have picked these up.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-02-16 20:17:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyprus Black
I've been reporting these eveopolis guys as RMT isk sellers and bot spammers. Mainly because that's what they are.

Every God damn day the exact same RMT spam bots are in Jita spamming 24/7 without pause or break.

Does the Report Isk Spammer button actually do anything?
Or is it like the button on the crosswalk that isn't actually wired to anything?

Maybe we should start a Name-n-Shame list again to get CCP to do something about it. It's worked before.

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KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#37 - 2013-02-16 21:05:20 UTC
Jita local spamming is a gateway to market botting.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#38 - 2013-02-16 21:08:01 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
I know I leave my tab on something other than local everytime I have to go to Jita, but it seems that local is being spammed by bots 24/7 and nothing is done about it.

Sure some people might actually do the keystrokes to post the last message the said, but really now... Do you think they really do that for hours on end without some type of a programatic assistance?

Is it because they tend to not have a true financial gain compared to other botters? I mean it takes a sucker to fall for most of their scams before they make money, but obviously they do it all the time regardless of the profit.

So why do they exist and are not being investigated for botting?



ccp said they would look at it but other bots are a priority as they have greater impacts on eve.
Kate stark
#39 - 2013-02-16 21:12:56 UTC
people seem to quote one specific part of the eula (at least, in the other thread) which relates to gaining stuff at a rate faster than normal gameplay.

now, spamming local doesn't gain you anything faster than normal other than people's ire which you could arguably do faster by just convoing them and calling them a ****. also, due to the 5 min timer on order updates, are market bots even breaking the eula? surely with the 5 min limit a bot can't update faster than a player so they can't generate income faster than a regular player.

are they even breaking the eula?

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#40 - 2013-02-16 21:21:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Captain Tardbar wrote:
So why...are not being investigated for botting?


They are.

/thread

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