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Thoughts on T1/T2 Industrial & Freighters with SMB to Carry 1-2 Frigates?

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Sturmwolke
#1 - 2013-02-16 00:28:41 UTC
Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of jumping into shuttles/pod back and forth when moving stuffs and relocating ships.
What if T1/T2 indies & general transport like freighters are buffed to have an SMB that can carry 1-2 frigates? (cruisers won't fit)

Discuss. Trolls/flames welcome.
Kate stark
#2 - 2013-02-16 00:31:11 UTC
my thoughts are that you should post in the correct forum section.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#3 - 2013-02-16 00:31:15 UTC
carry a packaged shuttle?

/problem

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Sturmwolke
#4 - 2013-02-16 00:42:09 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
carry a packaged shuttle?
/problem

Nah, a waste of 500m3 for a 6au/s ship.

There are a couple of scenarios out there that makes it very desirable to carry a frigate sized ship in an SMB, especially when it comes to certain type of missioning.
Now, I personally don't run in anything less than 19au/s ship when it comes to moving about ... so being able to fit a T2 inty in a transport's SMB is very convenient. P
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#5 - 2013-02-16 03:54:50 UTC
I just end up with a dozen ships all over the place and more or less tailor them to each area. You're talking frigates which are cheap, almost throw away ships.

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Revman Zim
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2013-02-16 04:00:19 UTC
The word you are looking for is....

ORCA.
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-02-16 08:30:40 UTC
Sturmwolke wrote:
Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of jumping into shuttles/pod back and forth when moving stuffs and relocating ships.
What if T1/T2 indies & general transport like freighters are buffed to have an SMB that can carry 1-2 frigates? (cruisers won't fit)

Discuss. Trolls/flames welcome.

Indies already can carry frigates.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#8 - 2013-02-16 08:37:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
Revman Zim wrote:
The word you are looking for is....

ORCA.


I think what he is looking for is a smaller version of an Orca. You know one that doesn't cost 700m.

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Whitehound
#9 - 2013-02-16 08:49:37 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
my thoughts are that you should post in the correct forum section.

Now there is an idea! Features & Ideas Discussion

On the topic itself...

Such ideas are generally frowned upon simply because they are wishes for more comfort, while the game and its players have far more pressing issues, which need to be addressed with much higher priority.

Your idea gets moved to the very end where it most certainly gets pushed off the bus.

Pack a shuttle. 500m3 in a freighter is really not a lot. Asking for a SMB will only add more space to a freighter and chances are it will turn into a trade off (less cargo space for a ship maintenance bay). I am sure you would not want a trade off, right? ...

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Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-02-16 09:46:17 UTC
Revman Zim wrote:
The word you are looking for is....

ORCA.


The fact that a vessel
Quote:
developed as a joint venture between Outer Ring Excavations and Deep Core Mining Inc as a vessel to help meet the demands of New Eden's industry and provide a flexible platform from which mining operations can be more easily managed.

gets used as a cargo hauler so often just demonstrates that there's a huge gap in the market for a mid-sized hauler between the Itty V and the freighters.
Whitehound
#11 - 2013-02-16 10:26:17 UTC
Takseen wrote:
gets used as a cargo hauler so often just demonstrates that there's a huge gap in the market for a mid-sized hauler between the Itty V and the freighters.

You want mid-size? Get a Jump Freighter.

But more seriously, why the middle step of a mid-sized hauler? If you really want to start moving stuff then you would only be flying the mid-sized ship for so long until you then need it bigger and decide, and all of a sudden of course, why not a freighter!?

It just does not need a half-hearted compromise in between an Orca and a freighter. You rather want to have a new ship, with a cargo size of 300k-400k m3 and with a unique, new ability, like perhaps a jump drive. Oh, wait, am I talking about Jump Freighters again? Lol

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Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#12 - 2013-02-16 10:37:56 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Revman Zim wrote:
The word you are looking for is....

ORCA.


The fact that a vessel
Quote:
developed as a joint venture between Outer Ring Excavations and Deep Core Mining Inc as a vessel to help meet the demands of New Eden's industry and provide a flexible platform from which mining operations can be more easily managed.

gets used as a cargo hauler so often just demonstrates that there's a huge gap in the market for a mid-sized hauler between the Itty V and the freighters.


Seems to me that training for a Freighter is vastly easier than training for an Orca. And truth be told.... I move stuff in my Orca because it is a handy multi-role platform, It's convenient. And considering the amount of SP's dedicated towards being able to fly one, I would expect it to have more utility than a freighter.

There is no need that I can see for having a mid-grade hauler, when it is easier to just train for Freighter.

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Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-02-16 13:22:51 UTC
"Hi, could I have a plain burger please?"
"Sure, here's a cheeseburger".
"But I don't want cheese, I just want a plain burger"
"Oh ok, here's a burger with lettuce and tamato"
"Can't I just have a plain burger?
"NO!"
:(

Just sayin, if CCP are looking for a new hull type to introduce for an upcoming expansion...
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#14 - 2013-02-16 14:14:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Sturmwolke wrote:
Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of jumping into shuttles/pod back and forth when moving stuffs and relocating ships.
What if T1/T2 indies & general transport like freighters are buffed to have an SMB that can carry 1-2 frigates? (cruisers won't fit)

Discuss. Trolls/flames welcome.

I'm with you. Its a pain to make multiple runs to move rigged ships, and I'm not bringing an ORCA into low or null. I hope they give the DST some better options for getting around gates and a ship bay.

Celly Smunt thought that a modified MJD might work well on a DST. More on that idea here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2605310

Whatever happens with the transport overhaul it would be very nice to have a way to move rigged ships through low/null. It would give the campers something to do and get people exploring a bit more imho.

Good idea OP.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#15 - 2013-02-16 14:19:35 UTC
Why not add specialized cans where you can put in assembled ships for transport and which can only be put on certain ship types? Frigate sized would fit in a industrial, anything bigger would be restricted to freighters. You can put a ship in but not launch it in space but you could move it into any ship hangar you have access to.

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Whitehound
#16 - 2013-02-16 14:19:39 UTC
Takseen wrote:
"Hi, could I have a plain burger please?"
"Sure, here's a cheeseburger".
"But I don't want cheese, I just want a plain burger"
"Oh ok, here's a burger with lettuce and tamato"
"Can't I just have a plain burger?
"NO!"
:(

Just sayin, if CCP are looking for a new hull type to introduce for an upcoming expansion...

What do you think EVE is? McDonalds?? Roll

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#17 - 2013-02-16 14:22:10 UTC
Having a T3 industrial could solve this as well.

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#18 - 2013-02-16 15:03:07 UTC
Diablo Ex wrote:


Seems to me that training for a Freighter is vastly easier than training for an Orca. And truth be told.... I move stuff in my Orca because it is a handy multi-role platform, It's convenient. And considering the amount of SP's dedicated towards being able to fly one, I would expect it to have more utility than a freighter.

There is no need that I can see for having a mid-grade hauler, when it is easier to just train for Freighter.


Some of the best adventures I have had in Eve have been times that I jumped into my vexor and went off exploring. Sometimes its good to get away from the corp and not have to rely on having 3 or 4 guys to make things happen.

The travel fit for the Vex includes the cloak/MWD trick which goes right through most lowsec camps, and it has enough speed and tank to get out of lightly guarded bubbles. I have gone off on several week long stints that way; up to ORE npc null and around solitude, the lowsec systems between Delve and Fountain. The trouble that I run into is that I don't want to risk the only ship I have out there in PvP, so I avoid that, also It is a pain to haul the loot out, you have to really cherry pick the best stuff.

I havn't done a trip like that in a while because, well I've done it and know what its about, but with the option to move some gear around and stay mobile I would definitely go again. Having my covops for scouting and scanning, a couple of PvP frigs, and a BC would open up a lot of content. And the risk v reward seems about right. A few good ships in a hauler and the chance to make 100 mil and have a little adventure.

Re Orca's and Freighters; Thats a whole different ballgame logistically and fun in its own right. But not spontaneous in any way, shape or form; 3 or 4 guys go off in a WH or out into npc null, cyno's and scouts to get there, grind rats and sites for a week or so then come back. Its a pretty substantial outlay ISK wise that just doesn't seem to have the return To tempt people into doing that kind of thing.
Sturmwolke
#19 - 2013-02-16 15:31:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Sturmwolke
Abrazzar wrote:
Frigate sized would fit in a industrial, anything bigger would be restricted to freighters. You can put a ship in but not launch it in space but you could move it into any ship hangar you have access to.

The idea of a limited SMB where it only works with only hangar transfers + no inspace fitting service is interesting. They probably need to call it something else (e.g. shuttle bay, frigate bay? etc.) to avoid confusing players with SMB that works slightly different from normal.

Corey Fumimasa wrote:

I havn't done a trip like that in a while because, well I've done it and know what its about, but with the option to move some gear around and stay mobile I would definitely go again. Having my covops for scouting and scanning, a couple of PvP frigs, and a BC would open up a lot of content. And the risk v reward seems about right. A few good ships in a hauler and the chance to make 100 mil and have a little adventure.

Yep, this is just one of the many case scenarios that benefits from a T2 transport being able to carry frigates. Works like a mini-Orca*.
Being able to carry BC might be a little OPed though.

*I think a lot of people find the Orca almost indispensabe as a utility ship and mobile base. There's a definitely gap in the the lower end of utility ships.
We got the Venture. Now what *I* want to see is mini-Orca Smile ... but rather than a single ship, I prefer to see it spread across the transport class.

Edit: One more case scenario. I had been doing the Career Agents rounds to check out the new mining frigate on an alt. The amount of "junk" accumulated was annoying, including 2 frigates and a T1 indy. Since both frigates were fully rigged and fitted, it gets double annoying. Pretend I'm a clueless newbie exploring the sector, the amount of jumps I need to do just to move around from my asset stockpile is exasperating. Now, wouldn't it be wonderful and convenient to be able to fit all that junk into the free T1 indy and carry those 2 fully fitted frigates - all in one go? Of course, I'm only thinking of the newbies. They're VERY imporrtant. (as per Malcanis's Law .. tee hee) Cool
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#20 - 2013-02-16 15:43:22 UTC
Sturmwolke wrote:

Yep, this is just one of the many case scenarios that benefits from a T2 transport being able to carry frigates. Works like a mini-Orca*.
Being able to carry BC might be a little OPed though.

*I think a lot of people find the Orca almost indispensabe as a utility ship and mobile base. There's a definitely gap in the the lower end of utility ships.
We got the Venture. Now what *I* want to see is mini-Orca Smile ... but rather than a single ship, I prefer to see it spread across the transport class.

You might like this thread over in F&I https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=205125&p=2

As for a BC in a mini-carrier being OP; CCP is great at balancing that kind of thing, whatever they decide works for me.
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