Intergalactic Summit

If the Minmatar had accepted their place and embraced their destiny, they would stand tall and proud among the Chosen. Instead, they rejected the offer of Salvation. That is why they are like the hound begging for scraps from the Gallente table.

Damnation, if your speaking religiously (though I believe it could have been obtained via other methods).

I have said my bit. I will step back and let those learned in theology and ministry explain to you about Salvation.

Ah, yes. The "family attacked by conveniently unnamed group of Minmatar terrorists" anecdote. Sure haven't heard that one before.


I can't be a member of Nobilta Nera and not believe in the Red God and the Exaltation of the Self. I can't be a member of True Slave Foundations and not believe in the Dream of Nation. I can't be a member of Mixed Metaphor and not believe in the principles of liberty and democracy.

You can't be a member of PIE and not believe in the supremacy and divine right of the Empire.


The funny thing is, Aldrith, that the Amarr are moral absolutists, and their loyalists - such as yourself - embrace moral relativism only when it suits their current argument. The Empire either is right, or will change its dogma so that it was right retroactively. Example: Jamyl is very clearly a clone - I mean, come on, let's face it, the Theology Council knows it, the Heirs know it, you know it, every Holder knows it, the vast majority of commoners know it, and for crying out loud, the entire cluster including several PIE members who were less than a hundred kilometres away saw her die - but no, we can't have an Empress who's a clone because Godflesh, so we'll pretend it was divine intervention. It's a farce, and it astounds me that not one single person in a position of power has yet had the spine to speak up about it.

You may claim you think it was wrong for the Amarr to enslave the Minmatar but honestly your opinion means less than nothing. The Amarr clearly don't agree with you and they've shown no interest in learning from past mistakes.

I suspect you'll find that I understand the subject infinitely better than they do, which is why I consider it all to be nonsense.

The gift of oratory is open to anyone - it's a skill, it can be learned and rehearsed like any other.

It is my firm conviction that the particular kind of wisdom involved in this discussion, however, is forever beyond the grasp of a theologian. I'll not be so uncharitable as to deny them access to all wisdom - there's many different kinds of wisdom after all - but the faculties to successfully defend Amarr against the question "Salvation From What?" simply don't exist. The best anyone's ever managed to my knowledge was to redefine the word "salvation" to the point of meaninglessness.

You're refusing to engage for the same reason that a lone frigate is never going to take on a fleet of fifty Rapiers. You'd be leaping at the chance to have a public discussion about your faith if you could see an opening, or a flaw in my argument that you could exploit. You can't, so instead you're playing the modesty card and promising that somebody else will make me see the light, rather than trusting your own intelligence, which would lead you to wonder whether the reason you can't see such a flaw is because there are none.

You're a good little slave at least, I'll give you that much. The kind that the Empire doesn't need whips and Vitoc to control.

Stitcher-haan,

The answer is 'yes' but not because of the reason you constructed.

There is no 'post-mortem punishment', this simply does not exist in the Amarrian faith and I can't fathom why you thought so. There is no punishment, those who do not know God's grace simply fade into non-existence once they perish and their soul never knows the grace of God. The goal is not salvation from a form of 'hell' but transcendence from the mortal world in to the Kingdom of Heaven.

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I would be happy to discuss the topic of faith with you personally if you wish to learn more.

Respectfully,

Simon Malkov Louvaki
Sengokuvaa Corporate HQ
Federal Administration Information Center
Office Complex 781, Tier V
Luminaire VII (Caldari Prime)

But there are many things that one can do with divine right and supremacy.

this debt think is ridiculous!. Had it been the other way, the minmatar would have enslaved, colonized, assimilate...etc, the ammar.
there is the possibility they might have resolved their differences through dialog, but is doubtful.

The problem i believe comes from the perspective; of course is the ammar/minmatar perspective, but most importantly the enslaved perspective.

this creates a paradox , in wich both arguments are right, same rethoric, based on how long has been since the event and how much emotional "damage" they ve caused and the time line is drawn depending on how much people got stuck with the same idea based on the mentioned parameters, and if the idea is still functional at providing needs.

But what if ? it was you trying to enslave them, well you will have to tell them a story so that they may go take whatever it is you want with the less amount of expenses, after all if you tell them the truth they will want half of the bounty.

It seems that one fundamental difference between our species and "lesser" species is the ability to bullshit large quantities of members of our species to do certain things we wish them to do, and the fact that this ability grows with time.

we will just change the names,adjust the language and certain behaivours to accomodate current times political believes, juntas, tyrants, republics and monarchies will rise, and people will claim for democracy! not realising democracy has ruled them forever ( as long as you maintain the majority or the majority with acces to weapons on your side, you can name kings; presidents and congressess; juntas

I am sorry, since I do not fundamentally disagree or agree with you here, that I find your answer to have several misconceptions or inaccuracies.

The Minmatar - like most civilizations - have never been a "peaceful civilization". Wars between Nefantars and Krusual, or between other tribes over the years, are direct historical witnesses of such feats.

The same way, comparing the progress and advancement done by two civilizations over the years basing it exclusively on the time it took them to achieve the same progress, is valid to the condition that they do it alone. The Republic is, as you say, a new entity that did not start at the stone age, like the Amarr or the Gallente did. Their current civilization was created with a technological and social advance similar to that of today. The comparison between the Amarr and the Gallente on the same criteria, however, could work better.

However, it does not mean that the feat from building all of this in a very short lifespan is not an achievement in itself.



The Amarr have not been always very efficient at cultural reprogramming. When it is true that making an adult - with all the education he got before and all his cutlural background - proves somewhat difficult, and it is not so hard that it may seem, turning their children to your own set of morals and education is extremely easy, since their malleable mind is still in a blank state.

It is also why most slaves tend to forget their cultural legacy after a few generations. Some do not, for the only reason that they continue to educate their children with their original beliefs and culture to counter the education provided by the master.

So yes, I would argue that you can make someone believe something, be it through brainwashing or just more subtle rhetorical ways.



You do not know what you are talking about.

You might have said Ealur, I could have agreed. But the Mandate ? Not really.

You're either a pretty awful liar, or the abuse you've suffered left you severely mentally handicapped. I'm going to assume it was the later because at least your damaged-goods compatriot pilot Kernher was capable of basic reading comprehension, even if it only meant she had to be slightly more inventive with the lies she told. What I wrote to the self-aggrandizing genocide apologist was "the Minmatar were a peaceful spacefaring civilization by the time you found them." So the failure, as usual, is all on the shoulders of the brain-damaged Ammatar woman (that's you, by the way).


Again, you're either intentionally misinterpreting what I said, or you're brain damaged. The Minmatar Republic, post-rebellion, had to be built essentially from scratch because the Amarr had done their level best to destroy the Minmatar culture and any ability of the Minmatar peoples to survive without the Empire's support - fortunately for the entire cluster, they failed miserably, but it certainly did force the Minmatar tribes to improvise heavily once they gained their freedom. They rebuilt a society from old historical records and scraps - and they did a pretty impressive job of it. Again, the failure lies upon your brain-damaged shoulders, girl.


I do not advocate not returning Caldari Prime to the Caldari, but in point of fact, the Caldari gladly accepted the help of the ISC and the Cultural Deliverance Society at the time, mostly because it allowed them to accelerate the development of their society to compete with the (at the time) technologically superior Gallente. They were asked to join the Federation, and accepted, voluntarily.

Again, you've failed history. Try to be less brain damaged - there are various courses of therapy that can help with this.


The vast majority of Ni-Kunni live in impoverished ghettos. The only real methods by which they can escape from this life is to risk their life in the Navy or sign on with a smuggler outfit and run contraband across the borders. The Ealur, meanwhile - whom I notice you don't actually discuss, instead transparently and desperately attempting to change the subject to that of Ms. Rella's misspelling - are considered barely human by some, subhuman by others. The Minmatar were enslaved, in fact, mostly because the Ealur were considered too stupid to handle particularly complex tasks, and the Amarr needed more intelligent workers.