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Null Sec carebear ship spinners and their tears over High Sec

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EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#41 - 2013-02-15 23:07:20 UTC
How can you say anything about the game in general if the only experience you have is chainrunning L4 missions in highsec?
JamesAmrilKesh Alt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-02-15 23:09:53 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
This thread sucks, does anyone know how to get in touch with a James alt?

Which James?
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-02-15 23:15:17 UTC
Wait, didn't we already do this thread earlier today?

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terzho
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-02-16 00:17:55 UTC
I swear there are more people complaining over "nullsecers complaining" then actual nullsec people complaining.
Ankles McGlashan
Doomheim
#45 - 2013-02-16 00:19:33 UTC
terzho wrote:
I swear there are more people complaining over "nullsecers complaining" then actual nullsec people complaining.


this is next level
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#46 - 2013-02-16 00:39:14 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Ankles McGlashan wrote:
it's sort of amusing following because I've come to the conclusion that they both believe the same things. Neither of them want PvE and PvP on the same server and they both believe that forum tedium is a legitimate campaigning tool.


I believe you are incorrect.

Those complaining about HiSec want CCP to force the carebears out of HiSec so that there will be more targets in low/null.


Eh, we have plenty of targets as is. Nullsec has more ship kills then the rest of New Eden combined.

So much for the "bored with noone to shoot so they're messing with highsec" theory advanced by certain 'people'.

The actual answer is more rooted in the specific dynamics of conflict between null entities and how the total lack of native industry effects that, as well as the principle of increasing reward with increasing risk while retaining game balance. Wardec immunity and NPC corps also negatively effect highsec gameplay and players of course, all my suggestions certainly don't ignore highsec players as legitimate players in a game.


And there you go again, spewing "facts" and "truth" that we all know will be ignored.
Ankles McGlashan
Doomheim
#47 - 2013-02-16 00:46:11 UTC
obviously people are upset by highsec or they would not cry about it continually on forums.

and other people will claim that this is a form of PvP.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#48 - 2013-02-16 02:10:49 UTC
terzho wrote:
I swear there are more people complaining over "nullsecers complaining" then actual nullsec people complaining.

I had to think about that for a minute, then reread page two, but your right!
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-02-16 02:25:01 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Sariah Kion wrote:

As we approach the CSiM 8 choices search out a candidate that understands that along with changes to High Sec there needs to be fundamental changes to null,sov and low sec to deal with the REAL issues facing this game.

A vote for a candidate that champions the status quo in sov space and wants massive change to high sec is a vote against the better interests and well being of the game you love.


A lot of us don't like the current state of sov space and want it to change. A lot of us don't like the current near-riskless state of highsec either and want it to change. Highsec being too good is one of the REAL issues facing the game.


The only way I'd consider voting for you is if you did the truffle-shuffle on youtube or something similar.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-02-16 02:33:01 UTC
Ankles McGlashan wrote:
obviously people are upset by highsec or they would not cry about it continually on forums.

and other people will claim that this is a form of PvP.


Never start a forum war when you have alliances that are filled with members who are intrinsically good posters compared the average eve-o poster :smug:.


Fake edit: Blame the miners, they started it.

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Tesal
#51 - 2013-02-16 02:41:40 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
...search out a candidate that understands that along with changes to High Sec there needs to be fundamental changes to null,sov and low sec to deal with the REAL issues facing this game...


Fundamental and radical changes might not fix things, it might make it worse. Incremental change might seem boring, but its the safest route.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#52 - 2013-02-16 02:51:37 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
...search out a candidate that understands that along with changes to High Sec there needs to be fundamental changes to null,sov and low sec to deal with the REAL issues facing this game...

I don't think you have the slightest idea of what Null or Low is like; rather you hate the idea that there are people in null that you will never be able to catch up to or to compete with and so you attack them here. But out of curiosity why do you lump lowsec in with null? What about lowsec needs to change to deal with the REAL issues facing the game?
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-02-16 02:56:54 UTC
Hrm.... If you follow the rules of logic, if hi-sec was awesome as they say it is, no one would hold null sec sov space.

Obviously there is some advantage to holding null sec space and putting the effort into it. If it was unprofitable then null-sec alliances would obviously spend more time in high sec.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-02-16 02:58:03 UTC
Tesal wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
...search out a candidate that understands that along with changes to High Sec there needs to be fundamental changes to null,sov and low sec to deal with the REAL issues facing this game...


Fundamental and radical changes might not fix things, it might make it worse. Incremental change might seem boring, but its the safest route.


This^^

Drastic changes invariably break the game. Its always better to have slow incremental changes.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#55 - 2013-02-16 03:36:48 UTC
Sariah Kion is James 315. His opposite, his negative, the result of the equation trying to balance itself out.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#56 - 2013-02-16 03:45:06 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
...search out a candidate that understands that along with changes to High Sec there needs to be fundamental changes to null,sov and low sec to deal with the REAL issues facing this game...

I don't think you have the slightest idea of what Null or Low is like; rather you hate the idea that there are people in null that you will never be able to catch up to or to compete with and so you attack them here. But out of curiosity why do you lump lowsec in with null? What about lowsec needs to change to deal with the REAL issues facing the game?

Forums PvP, the TRUE conflict zone of EVE Online.

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Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#57 - 2013-02-16 03:53:25 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
There is immense irony in the flood of null sec tears over the perceived lack of risk/reward in high sec.

They live a life safe from the cares of the rest of Eve while they get fat and drunk drinking from the never ending passive isk fountains that permeate sov space. This boredom and apathy then leads to the making of Alts in search of conflict and pvp in, of all places, high sec.

Irony? No. History? Yes.

After Ghengis Khan conquered China, the Mongols[1] became soft as they were absorbed by Chinese culture, because, let's face it, no matter how comfortable your yurt is, nor how yummy your milk+mare's blood is, it's just not the same as a real bed, real food, women who bathe, clean clothes, et. al.

The same is happening in null.


[1] 'l33t PvP'ers who did their PvP'ing in the real world and not from their mother's basement against imaginary foes,





But Mongols today are some of the toughest, hardest people you will ever meet...
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-02-16 03:59:21 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Ankles McGlashan wrote:
it's sort of amusing following because I've come to the conclusion that they both believe the same things. Neither of them want PvE and PvP on the same server and they both believe that forum tedium is a legitimate campaigning tool.


I believe you are incorrect.

Those complaining about HiSec want CCP to force the carebears out of HiSec so that there will be more targets in low/null.


Eh, we have plenty of targets as is. Nullsec has more ship kills then the rest of New Eden combined.

So much for the "bored with noone to shoot so they're messing with highsec" theory advanced by certain 'people'.

The actual answer is more rooted in the specific dynamics of conflict between null entities and how the total lack of native industry effects that, as well as the principle of increasing reward with increasing risk while retaining game balance. Wardec immunity and NPC corps also negatively effect highsec gameplay and players of course, all my suggestions certainly don't ignore highsec players as legitimate players in a game.


And there you go again, spewing "facts" and "truth" that we all know will be ignored.


Those stastics are some what misleading. What they really mean is that High sec gets the majoirty of the kills but there is a less kill to population rate than low and null sec.

If you look at the ship loss maps, hi sec has the most losses (probaly due to RvB and a healthy regimin of corp wars and ganking). Overall those numbers mean there are more kills in relation to the size of population of nullsec which is smaller but has a higher ratio of kills per citizens of said zones.

The truth is hi-sec has overall higher ships losses compared to nullsec because there is more overall activity in hisec.

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Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#59 - 2013-02-16 04:02:20 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:

Those stastics are some what misleading. What they really mean is that High sec gets the majoirty of the kills but there is a less kill to population rate than low and null sec.

If you look at the ship loss maps, hi sec has the most losses (probaly due to RvB and a healthy regimin of corp wars and ganking). Overall those numbers mean there are more kills in relation to the size of population of nullsec which is smaller but has a higher ratio of kills per citizens of said zones.

The truth is hi-sec has overall higher ships losses compared to nullsec because there is more overall activity in hisec.


So, if I understand this right, the entrenched nullsec fat cats actually want less overall activity in the game, because they want highsec degraded to the point where almost everyone will be forced to play in the relative safety of null.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#60 - 2013-02-16 04:03:47 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:


Those stastics are some what misleading. What they really mean is that High sec gets the majoirty of the kills but there is a less kill to population rate than low and null sec.

If you look at the ship loss maps, hi sec has the most losses (probaly due to RvB and a healthy regimin of corp wars and ganking). Overall those numbers mean there are more kills in relation to the size of population of nullsec which is smaller but has a higher ratio of kills per citizens of said zones.

The truth is hi-sec has overall higher ships losses compared to nullsec because there is more overall activity in hisec.


Sounds like you smoked a bit fatty and started thinking about stats.