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Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-02-15 14:17:10 UTC
then i'd suggest you stick with minmatar

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Skunk Liontree
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-02-15 16:17:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Skunk Liontree
Elisheva Cohane wrote:
Well, other than training for a Tengu (which I REALLY want to avoid), what is the consensus, for WH life, Loki (which would be good, as I am Minmatar), or Proteus (not too bad to train up, and i already have gunnery skills)?

Thank you,

Eli


It really depends on a couple of things:

  • What class wormhole do you want to be in. C1 -> C6
  • What effects does the WH have - This decides if you are shield or armor tanked.
  • Will your corp mates in the WH be online when you are? Soloing is always dangerous but cloaky T3's do very well in this area. Prot > Loki > Rest
  • Some BC's like the drake are very good in C2/3
  • You will loose ships. So make sure you have a way to earn isk to replace the: Mining, Ratting or PI to name a few
  • You are going to be in a POS so having PI skills will help pay for fuel. Some corps will insist on it.

As always in EvE only fly what you can afford to loose.

Get some the back skills sorted first. Follow the Core Certs is a good way to start. Then speak to some WH corps that you want to join and a they will also let you know if they fly armor or shield tanks and you can train accordingly.

Make sure you have good scanning skills. You spend a lot of time scanning and having a dedicated scanning toon is a god-send. Personally, all of my toons are T2 Covops Frig capable and Cloaking 4, Astrometrics 4, Astro Acquisition 3, Astro Pinpointing 3 & Astro Rangfinding 3 as an absolute minimum.

As I said, speak to some WH corps and ask them what they fly for PVE & PVP and go from there.

Good Luck!
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-02-16 02:25:33 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Elisheva Cohane wrote:
I have the dream of living in a WH (laugh if you must) and would like to get my skill plan going before I make that jump (no pun intended). Currently, my skills are mostly Minmatar (ships, guns, shield, armor, scanning and yes, mining). I have done some research, watched most youtube vids i could get my hands on, and I think I would want to get started in a C2 to C4 (with a corp, yet to be determined).

So, the question is, which ships should I train for primarily? Can I stay Minmatar or will I have to cross train (if so, into which race)? I would assume a Cruiser / BC would be my initial ship, later (much) a T3? If at all possible, a sample fit would be awesome. I know that getting blown up is quite likely, so if possible keep the suggestions affordable Big smile All your helpful hints are much appreciated.

Thank you,

Elisheva


Do you want the idealist's ships you should train for or the professional's ships you should train for?

The professional, being objective, knows that a c2 -> c4 is ideal for the Tengu where farming is concerned. With as few as 2 tengus you can make 200mil/hour/pilot once you get your sleeper farming tweaked.

The idealist, being partial, knows that his/her race's ships might not be the best but, if they just stick with it spending many months training all those level 5 skills going for the bigger and bigger guns, one day it'll all be worth it. But, it won't. I did this with Gallente, don't do it with Minmatar. Sure, it'll make you a badass Minmatar pilot like I'm a badass Gallente pilot but, it doesn't really do anything for my wallet unless I can get 2 other players for a remote rep Domi circle jerk. But then, they have crap drone skills making it not even worth it.

See, with average skill tengu pilots you can make that 200mil/hour. But for all the other races' ships you'll need very high skills plus additional pilots to make it work for you. It'll never be a situation where you can log on and just go farm. No you'll have to log on, wait for enough of the right kind of people to be on, herd them like cats and finally after 2 - 3hours of wasted time, go farm.

I have 3 toons. 2 are tengu pilots. 1 is a dedicated prober/industrialist. Assuming I don't have to roll holes to find c4 sites to farm it takes me about 30 minutes of setup, checking the system for open wh's and getting the lay of the land before committing myself to the voids of the C4. Then I'm farming until 1) I've had enough or 2) someone rains on my parade and I have to bolt.

The advantage is I am able to fly caldari fairly skillfully and Gallente. It's just not a bad idea to cross train racials. You get more advantage out of it.

*Laughs* Apparently someone didn't get the HML-nerf memo. I haven't seen a plexing Tengu in one of our fleets for what, several months now?


That's strange you say that. The nerf added only one minute per anom to my 2 tengus farming C4's. Don't know what you're crew is doing but, seriously, it's a non-issue. Either your skills aren't where they need to be or, dare I ask, do you even fly a tengu? Even with drastically reduced range the fit is flexible enough to fit an AB. After the webbing frigates are done just burn 10KM to get in range of your next target. It's not that hard.


It isn't the HML nerf alone that made Tengus obsolete for us...
Elisheva Cohane
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-02-16 08:45:51 UTC
Skunk Liontree wrote:
Elisheva Cohane wrote:
Well, other than training for a Tengu (which I REALLY want to avoid), what is the consensus, for WH life, Loki (which would be good, as I am Minmatar), or Proteus (not too bad to train up, and i already have gunnery skills)?

Thank you,

Eli


It really depends on a couple of things:

  • What class wormhole do you want to be in. C1 -> C6
  • What effects does the WH have - This decides if you are shield or armor tanked.
  • Will your corp mates in the WH be online when you are? Soloing is always dangerous but cloaky T3's do very well in this area. Prot > Loki > Rest
  • Some BC's like the drake are very good in C2/3
  • You will loose ships. So make sure you have a way to earn isk to replace the: Mining, Ratting or PI to name a few
  • You are going to be in a POS so having PI skills will help pay for fuel. Some corps will insist on it.

As always in EvE only fly what you can afford to loose.

Get some the back skills sorted first. Follow the Core Certs is a good way to start. Then speak to some WH corps that you want to join and a they will also let you know if they fly armor or shield tanks and you can train accordingly.

Make sure you have good scanning skills. You spend a lot of time scanning and having a dedicated scanning toon is a god-send. Personally, all of my toons are T2 Covops Frig capable and Cloaking 4, Astrometrics 4, Astro Acquisition 3, Astro Pinpointing 3 & Astro Rangfinding 3 as an absolute minimum.

As I said, speak to some WH corps and ask them what they fly for PVE & PVP and go from there.

Good Luck!


Thanks! These are some very good points. I am currently training up T2 scanning frigs, once that is done I will start talking to some WH corps. I think I will limit myself to C4 or smaller. Anyone know of any WH training, or new player friendly Corps to talk to? Even if it is just to get some fitting advise?

Thank you,

Eli
Iq Cadaen
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-02-18 15:28:33 UTC
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:

*Laughs* Apparently someone didn't get the HML-nerf memo. I haven't seen a plexing Tengu in one of our fleets for what, several months now?


That's strange you say that. The nerf added only one minute per anom to my 2 tengus farming C4's. Don't know what you're crew is doing but, seriously, it's a non-issue. Either your skills aren't where they need to be or, dare I ask, do you even fly a tengu? Even with drastically reduced range the fit is flexible enough to fit an AB. After the webbing frigates are done just burn 10KM to get in range of your next target. It's not that hard.


It isn't the HML nerf alone that made Tengus obsolete for us...

The Tengu is hands down the best bang/mass per buck. It's also fire and forget. Saying that it's obsolete because :HML nerf: is just ignorant as it didn't change the status quo at all. Short of cap escalations it can still be considered the best WH anom runner.
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-02-18 18:34:56 UTC
Elisheva, I recommend looking at the notable corps/alliances on the stick y at the top of this forum when you begin your search. Best thing to do would be just join public channels and speak with people to find out what would be a good fit. There is a reason for that sticky, there are many highly inactive wh corps and alliances or simply too new (for me) to feel safe trusting my assets in their wormhole. Good luck
vonDuck
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
#27 - 2013-03-05 04:00:42 UTC
Cheesy Feet wrote:
vonDuck wrote:
Why a wormhole?


Do you live in a WH?

If you do then you shouldn't need to ask Shocked


I know why I live in a wormhole. I was just making sure the reason the OP wanted to was actually congruent with doing so. Big smile
Elisheva Cohane
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-03-05 08:00:10 UTC
vonDuck wrote:
Cheesy Feet wrote:
vonDuck wrote:
Why a wormhole?


Do you live in a WH?

If you do then you shouldn't need to ask Shocked


I know why I live in a wormhole. I was just making sure the reason the OP wanted to was actually congruent with doing so. Big smile



That is how I understood his question as well. All good. My skills are progressing and I am already talking to some corps.


Eli
Kestrix
The Whispering
#29 - 2013-03-05 12:39:40 UTC
Axloth Okiah wrote:
your first ship should be cheetah :)

And Loki is a very solid choice. Very versatile and can do it all: shield, armor, pve, pvp.


Loki's are quite expensive I'd go with a Domi they too can do it all and don't cost nearly as much.
vonDuck
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
#30 - 2013-03-05 12:56:14 UTC
So it looks like you have a decent start here. You should be able to do a Class 1 or 2 effortlessly on your own in nothing more than a battlecruiser. Don't try to get a one-size-fits-all ship. Different ships specialize so take advantage of that. You can easily use Tech 1 ships until you have an obscene amount of ISK.

If there are any holes in your research don't hesitate to send me an evemail when they come up. I'll be happy to answer. If you'd like a "day in the life of wormholes" I can send you a synopsis from efficient scanning to managing your environment. There's also plenty of resources around if you'd like some links.
Miyah Putredas
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-03-06 00:09:58 UTC
First off, may I congratulate you on your excellent choice of race to fly. The Winmatar are the most versatile of all the races, fitting practically every fleet setup there is, and still being efficient in what they do.

Now, about the ships and setups:

In wormhole classes 1 to 4 tengu is the king, even after the HML nerf. Maybe not by so large a margin anymore but it still rocks. Skilling for the tengu isn't necessary, but if you want to maximize your efficiency, the tengu is what you need to go for. Some stricter corps might even require that from you.

Although you will start small now, I assume you will eventually end up moving to the "top", that is class 5 or 6 wormholes. Here the main isk comes from capital escalation sites, which are done (when done correctly) with exactly three types of ships: carriers, dreadnoughts and lokis. So in here the tengu becomes pretty much obsolete. Most of the larger WH corps and alliances fly armor fleets anyway.

So, in general, specialization is good, but don't overdo it. Eventually, you are 99% likely to cross train into something, so if you read all minmatar related skills to 5, and you then move on to flying a moros or an archon, you have wasted months to train for something that you are not going to spend much time flying in the end. Select a few key skills to max, those which give the most results for the time consumed. and keep in mind, that ships change, corps change, fleet setups change, and you always need to be able to cope with those changes. Much easier when you only have 3 months worth of training down the drain, rather than 3 years.

PvP is a completely different story, and here the options are far more versatile than in PvE. Any race, when flown correctly, can be great, although caldari is a bit of an underdog here.

I hope these ramblings were helpful, they were written in a pretty tired state, so they most likely aren't the most coherent post there is. :P
Elisheva Cohane
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-03-06 06:33:18 UTC
vonDuck and Miyah, thank you for your great (and detailed) analysis. I am working on faction standing right now, so I can get a cheap (read) empty jumpclone, and then I'll attempt my first foray into a WH solo. I am sure it will end in a great ball of fire, but it will be glorious ; )

E.
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