Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They're just as relevant, because they're a RL point of comparison that does what the Hulk does. It's in fact more relevant for that very reason. They may not fit into your comparison, but that's largely because it was a flawed comparison to begin with.
…and guess what, the Hulks are not being attacked for their high value, so they're pretty comparable that way.
The same protection as everyone else has — getting out of there is the simplest form. But more to the point: why should you be able to withstand 5-6 attackers? No-one else can, if the attackers are determined. And when you can withstand them and they come back as 6-7, will you demand to be safe from them as well? Where does it end? Right now, you can trivially make yourself safe from one. That's about as fair as it gets.
It's not guaranteed, nor is it guaranteed that you will even find yourself in such a situation. That's just the very very tiny risk you have to take.
That depends. Is what you wish good for the game or for you as miners? Many would probably agree based on the latter, but even if you were majority, that wouldn't necessarily make it good for the game.

As it happens, being blown up is good for the game. Making things safer when they're already insanely safe is not. If anything, the game could use a whole lot more stuff blowing up at this point to stimulate production and keep it more in line with the influx of cash.

actually ships ARE to cheap - compared to their mods...

or we need another even stronger mining vessel (and having higher yield) which would then only be available outside highsec. how about T3 mining? love to see the tears there...

- Passive Shield Tank Hulk
- Logistics Support (I heard the Basilisk did something with shield repairs and drones which do the same)
- Orca Providing Mining Boosts (as Squad Commander) while off-grid Nighthawk provides Shield Boosts (Shield Harmonization Link as Wing Commander)
- ECM fit your Hulk
- Pay attention to Local and your D-Scan
- Don't stay in one spot for long
- Mine in Gravimetric Belts or Missions (which would make ANOTHER source of income for you as well)

Well, you figure getting ganked more than once would make a reasonable person find a way not to get ganked. So one would also hope that it would cause a carebear to rub two brain cells together and hopefully jumpstart a faulty, misfiring neural synapse.

Then I just realized. Carebears aren't real people. They're like sheep, to be herded and slaughtered.

Thanks, something to think about

then look at the EHP and realize that it's pointless against the real ganking threat.

OK - how about at least up-rating the rig slots to large - after all, they are 'large' ships...it seems odd they use the same rig size as retrievers?

i find it quite puzzling that all ships, but especially tech2 industrial ships have such low HP. to them, maybe an overall boost of HP to hull, some more PG and an additional low slot might be good for the game.

imho ganking is too easy these days, even freighters get ganked every day in highsec - check the freighter kills around uedama here...

I would advise that if you are suggesting changes be made to mining craft do not say the word "tank" That implies better ability to handle belt rats.

Instead the better thing to do would be to request more "buffer" Structure HP is far too low to withstand the current system of alpha strikes before concord arrives.

Give them FAR more structure LP and you reduce the ganks meant to influence the market.

Seriously?? Add 15k hull hp?? So now the hulk can hit 37k ehp by fitting ONLY a DCU2? AND you want an extra low slot, so you don't have to sacrifice your mining yield? A hulk pilot needs to chose tank OR Yield, just like a pew pewer needs to chose between tank OR dps. An untanked or lightly tanked hulk, that's optimized for mining should be easily suicide ganked by a single BC. At the same point in time, a hulk fit entirely to tank should be fairly difficult to suicide gank with a single BC.

With all the help limit hulk-ganks threads, I wondered if I could put a decent tank on a hulk, such that it could effectively survive a suicide gank attempt.

This is my first EFT attempt, which is not tight on PG nor CPU (i.e., it should be achievable without L33T fitting skills), and doesn't require pricey mods.

[Hulk, Tank]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Medium Shield Extender II
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

25k EHP.... 72, 77, 83, 84 resists: Regular gang bonus' push that to 27k, and gang links (Shield Harmonizing) can boost that farther. I haven't look at implants, but they would also boost it.

By my estimation, a gank fit brutix does 1000 dps (750 cheap fit). That's 25+ seconds of survival.
An alpha Tempest does 11k / shot (15s). This fit should barely survive 2 hits of RF EMP.

Essentially, a lone hulk can easily fit 25-30 s of buffer against a lone assaulter. This more than enough time for concord to arrive in most systems, although its borderline in 0.5-0.6. With this fit, it should typically take two to drop a fully tanked hulk. Please tell me why this fit is insufficient or impractical? I'm not a miner, so perhaps I'm missing something.

If you want to survive more than one attacker, you need to have fleet support. My POS repping no-prop-mod scimi is cap stable with 4 large reps, has 32k ehp itself, and can rep 1600 dps on the above tanked hulk. If you cba to mine with logi support, then you deserve to die to organized multi-ganker assaults. That's how EvE works...

P.S. I have serious wonders about how a hulk can fair against the new BC's. A small boost to a hulks pg (around 4-5 pg), would allow it to drop one of the MAPC's and fit a DCU, putting the hulk's tank around 32-36k. Additionally, a 7-10% reduction in its sig radius (150 to 135-140) would negate some of its vulnerability to large weapons. I don't think these are game breaking or imbalancing (although I have yet to try and break it), and would probably support this change. TBH, I don't have the time atm to post it appropriately, with a full outline of its Pro's and Con's.