Missions & Complexes

No you didn't. You blapped them on approach with no transversal and their pesudo-mwd sig bloom on, not orbiting within web range.

Arch Gistii Hunter
Signature Radius: 35 m
Orbit Velocity: 225.0 m/s
Orbit Range: 2,000 m
Max. Velocity: 450 m/s

425mm Railgun II
Trackingspeed / Accuracy 0.01010625 rad/sec
Signature Resolution 400 m <-*important*

Actually, Mach can blap down to 15km on approach, just before rat pseudo-mwd turns off. AC tracking is completely different from Rails.

Signature Resolution 400 m <-*important*
You're using Large Rails with signature resolution of 400m to shoot frig rat with 35m sig radius orbiting at 2km. You're not hitting it while it's orbiting.

Any rat you may have hit is on approach, not orbiting, webbed or not.

The lack of transversal and sig bloom on approach is what makes the difference. AC's high tracking is a small factor in comparison.

Sure. I get that you shot some frig rats on approach with rails, and pretends you shot them when they were orbiting at 2k just because you had a web fitted.

Had to explain the impossibility throughly to those who don't know better so you don't fool them.

Lets apply some math here ok?

Lets take the example of the Arch Gistii Hunter:

Signature Radius: 35 m
Orbit Velocity: 225.0 m/s
Orbit Range: 2,000 m

And a 425mm Railgun II on a Vindicator with perfect skills and one T2 tracking computer scripted for tracking speed:

Tracking speed: 0.02258 rad/s
Signature resolution: 400 m

Now assuming that the Vindicator is stationary and that the Arch Gistii Hunter is happily orbiting at its preferred orbit speed and distance we need to find its angular velocity. The formula for this is velocity=2*pi*radius*angular velocity. So:

225=2*3.14159*2000*a

Which works out to a=0.0179049462214993. Now the gun has a signature resolution of 400 m and the Arch Gistii Hunter has a signature radius of 35 m. 400 / 35 = 11.44647637479293 which is applied as a multiplier to the Arch Gistii Hunters' angular velocity to determine its effective angular velocity when the 425mm railgun shoots at it.

This gives us an effective angular velocity of 0.2046279568171349, far above the 0.02258 tracking speed of the rail gun. So all the shots miss.

Now what if the Vindicator applies two 90% webs to the Arch Gistii Hunter? That cuts the speed of the frigate to about 6 m/s. And gives us a new angular velocity defined as:

6=2*3.14159*2000*a

Which works out to a=0.00047746523. Multiplied by our 11.44647637479293 angular velocity modifier we get an effective angular velocity of 0.0054567454857143 which is well below our rail gun's 0.02258 tracking speed and the frig dies in one volly.

If the Vindicator is only using one 90% web we get an effective angular velocity of 0.020494854391633 which is just below the tracking speed of our 425mm rail gun. So the frig still dies. But only because the tracking computer is scripted for tracking speed.


TL DR;


This.

I don't fly marauders myself but the Kronos has the same uber powerful webs as the Vindicator. Even with slightly less tracking from marauders 4 dual 90% webs is silly powerful. Off the top of my head maybe something like this:

[Kronos, New Setup 1]
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge L
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Large Hybrid Locus Coordinator II

Just change out the hardeners to match the mission rats and blow everything to bits with those sweet sweet bonused webs. I guess you could pimp out the tank if you want but if you are using faction ammo there probably isn't much need to.

If you look at my earlier post about the math of using 425 mm rail guns on a dual web Vindicator to shoot at frigs you will see that yes, dual 90% webs murder frigs up close.

Dual tracking computers is nothing compared to dual webs on a Vindi/Kronos. The only real catch is that the webs only reach out to 10k. But faction webs and an off grid booster alt can help with that. ;)

Never used a offgrid booster. What links would it use ? Or what would you use ?

Read my first post in this thread. Two tracking computers will give you the flexibility of range control. Increased chance of higher quality hits is another reason. Refer to the turret damage entry in EVElopedia.

Again, I emphasize finding the configuration that works for you. Many mission runners will run with one or more alts. The best pilot I know of flies without local reps; he clears and salvages top tier missions under in twenty minutes. There is less incentive to use two webs when you have ten Hobgoblin IIs and other e-war at your disposal.

thank you for going the extra mile to shut the idiot up. i was almost nerdraging enough to do it myself, now i don't have to.

Ok so I tried last night with 1web, still couldn't hit any frigs. Fitted 2nd web and if I wait a few seconds for the webs to kick in then I 1shot frigs no problem.


Now whether to decide to upgrade the t2 webs to faction//ded//officer.