Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Basically my problem is that the implant kill training bonus is hard to give up. A lot of money has to be dropped to buy a set and it's easily lost. Jump Clones can help, but the 24 hour delay makes it untenable. If I want to PvP for a couple hours, but then go back to industry and training I have to wait the day or do it very sub-optimally. Now I know I'm not alone.

Almost every person I've talked to who PvPs regularly in small gangs says... fly cheap. That's something I'd like to do, but unlike my ships which I can just easily switch, the same cannot be said for my actual capsuleer.

What I would like to see as a possibility, especially given different outfits and professions is that my clothing, portrait were also tied to my clone (I think the clothing is actually), so that I can switch back and forth between my various personalities.

Frankly, I'm not sure why the delay is so high. I could see it being two or four hours, but 24 hours means I have to commit to a set of activities for the entire day and frankly that's not something I'm interested in. I setup my industry jobs, run a mission or two, check trades and I'd like very much for run some PvP stuff to be in there as well.

And before you post please come at this not as someone who logs on every day or multiple times a day, but one of the people with a life outside of EVE who really doesn't want to be down 20% training time for multiple days.

All excellent suggestions. I just wish the clone jump delay was more like 4 hours instead of 24.

I PvP with my implants, how ever i go to an empty clone if im going to PvP in Null Sec because of bubble camps.

But i must agree, clone change time is way too big, 4 hours would be perfect maybe even 5

I once propsed idea to remove attribute implants completly. That would make hundreds of people just start to pvp or pve in low/null whenever they want. They would be ok with possibility of losing the ship , paying for clone etc. But they are not ok with losing training time. I can understand this.

Keep only implants like Slaves, Crystals etc ... You want to buff yourself in pvp , pve with implants ? Still possible. But placing mandatory(let's be honest) implants in your head is kinda worst thing that happend to pvp. People are ok with losing clone, pvp frigate along with fit worth maybe 10kk but are quiet not ok with losing 500kk in implants along with pitiful 10kk frigate.

Noone can put reasonable argument behind damn attribute implants. Just rise all attributes for all toons across the board +5. Gj now why train cybernetics ? Plenty of reasons : slaves, crystals , snakes , genoltuion, skill hardwire.

Give this game best change ever - remove attributes implant. You do this and i will pvp EVERY SINGLE DAY. I will provide you many KM's every single day. But cba to lose training time becuase i have to sit in damn jump clone. Wow damn 24h jump clone. It's not even about time i don't want jump clones at all. Remove them along with attribute implants.

Whoever thinks it's bad idea must really be out of this world. You don't want those carebears jump into low sec in GREAT NUMBERS ? Because now all they risk is thier ship and clone ? You don't want number of pvping people doubled,tripled or even more ? Really you don't want ? If not keep those implants and keep those people in high sec because of that. I would do pve content in low sec and pvp all the time if you would remove those bloody implants. Now i do travel to low sec but not very often and try not to pvp - usually on pve bussiness - mostly short ones.

Everyone knows this , standard +5 and +2 . But this is useless garbage just completly not necessary read my previous post. Why keep broken system when you can bring better more efficient and more pvp friendly. Yes BIG WORD INC : PVP FRIENDLY.
Btw not only no to decreasing clone jump time but remove jump clones at all T_T.

hop on cheap jc's for pvp nights. I did this in 0.0. IN the cheap clone...well then it was pvp till the cows comes home. For example I'd hop in the cheap clone Friday night and not see the more pimp clones until Sunday even Monday. Places I was at got busier on the weekends, so I'd ride that wave till all the kiddies back in school and all the grown ups jsut can't run late nighters with work coming the next day.


Timer is okay, like someone else has said it needs to be 22-23 hours as the timer is buggy for this so that its more like 25-26 hours and not 24. The long limit is so that you don't have say test jc'ing to attack your left flank of your space then jc'ing to attack the right all in the same night. test has to commit to one attack...or opt to blood clone and deal with those consequences.


Also based on experience in game, losing the +4 clone for 1 day here and there does not wreck a training plan. Fun fact...take a pita train like large energy turret 5. Did this recently. Like 18 days with my stats. If you swtich out to a a +3 clone around day 7 or 8....you add hours to the train. Just hours. A fact overlooked with the 4 and 5 implants is they work best on trains with lots and lots time left to them. Shorter the train, the more worthless they are. Evemon up all subsystem skills train to 5 with 3's and 4's. Those 4's save you very little time. Now put them 4's into hell carrier 5. There you see the difference...till that carrier 5 gets down to less than halfway.


A good night or 2 of pvp will be a blast that should have you not even caring about your sp per hour. I have had some kick ass meat grinder nights where I ran the clone naked, no implants. I was dying too much to make even +3's a bad investment. However, I had a blast the whole night. And I learned alot more about pvp than a better sp/hour take in would have given me.



And my usual...a skill number on a screen is not what makes a pvp'er good, its actually doing the pvp that does this. I know bitter vets on shake and bake cyno alts who will for a fraction of many peopls's totals stll whoop some ass. Fit and flying...I haven't touched pvp for far too long. Saying I am rusty as hell would be an undertstatement. I'll bet isk there is 5 mil sp pure pvp rifter pilot out there who will whoop my 68 million sp ass. they live to pvp. I spam missions currently.


your other option is to get better at clearing pods. fun fact...pods are not instapoppable if you get lucky. One night I came home in a pod smoking from hull damage. Yes it was damaged....but it came home. Somedays the sun shines on this dog's ass...I took a a few pot shots, but not enough to kill the pod.

I have had this thought myself specifically after they removed learning skills. I think remaps are the only thing you should have to worry about. Because, yeah, implants are mandatory for skilling up and people would PvP more if the death penalty was reduced (or at least controllable). Because skill implants are mandatory the death penalty will always be too high.

I fail to understand why attribute implants are mandatory. There's plenty of us that don't use them at all, for long periods of time. With a proper remap, the skills still get trained, albeit a bit slower.

It's nothing for me to lose enough ships to cover two sets of +3 implants in a busy weekend of learning to be bad at PvP. Or even a set of +3 or +2 implants, themselves. Thankfully, the LP store always has more.

Implants are a big isk sink, in a game that needs more not less isk sinks. And while nice, there are absolutely no requirements to use implants at all.

And seriously, unless you are fighting in 0.0 all the time how often do you actually lose your pod?

I don't go to null for casual PvP. I'd rather go to lo-sec. The way people get their friends to try PvP is by showing them it's not that dangerous or expensive. I'd like to do FW. We'll see how it goes.

Anyone know if flagging yourself for Minmatar or Gallente FW makes you hostile to Ammatar?