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Pen Dulum
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-02-14 09:44:23 UTC
Ok so i fly gallente and have good drone skills (8m) and i have good gunnery skills. But at the moment i just struggle with missions (due to the drone agro ofc) I had been away from the game for a year and came back.

I currently have marauders level 4 and fly a rail kronos. But its become very frustrating with drone agro now and when taking out the smaller ships has becomes a chore. Battleship size ships aint a problem just unless im 50k+ away from anything anything smaller is just painstakingly slow and annoying.


Any advice on what i can do next ?

Going the 'HAM Tengu' isnt really a option as i have next to no missile skills.

So what should i do ?
Will blasters work on a L4 kronos ?

Time to respec something else ?

I just don't know what to do so looking for a bit of advice and//or guidence.

Thanks
Zhantiii Arnoux
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-02-14 10:22:06 UTC
Hehe same thign with missiles if you dont fit it right.... i counted yesterday that it took 580 scourge fury to kill a small sig frig in a mission :D

Either ren and stimpy programmed my ships systems or its just way way waayyyy to overdone :)

All you need to do reallty is to use drone at a closer range, but seeing your ship is a rail kronos thats also gimping yourslef :/
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#3 - 2013-02-14 11:01:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Chi'Nane T'Kal
Pen Dulum wrote:
Ok so i fly gallente and have good drone skills (8m) and i have good gunnery skills. But at the moment i just struggle with missions (due to the drone agro ofc) I had been away from the game for a year and came back.

I currently have marauders level 4 and fly a rail kronos. But its become very frustrating with drone agro now and when taking out the smaller ships has becomes a chore. Battleship size ships aint a problem just unless im 50k+ away from anything anything smaller is just painstakingly slow and annoying.


Any advice on what i can do next ?

Going the 'HAM Tengu' isnt really a option as i have next to no missile skills.

So what should i do ?
Will blasters work on a L4 kronos ?

Time to respec something else ?

I just don't know what to do so looking for a bit of advice and//or guidence.

Thanks


Try to concentrate on missions with only 1 pocket.

Fit a Dominix or even better Navy Dominix to max damage at 50-100km. (Garde II for 50km, Bouncer or Warden for far away, 425mm rails, 1-2 drone link augmentor II, 4 drone damage mods, rest hybrid damage mods/TE)
Fit a shield buffer tank that lasts about 10 seconds, otherwise omnidirectional tracking links, maybe a tracking computer (range).
Learn micro jump drive 2-3 and fit a micro jump drive.

Breeze through missions.

(BTW: I still think it sucks that ONLY sentries are viable now)
Dilligafmofo
3WAYFOUNDATIONS
New Miner's Union
#4 - 2013-02-14 11:06:46 UTC
Fit a fed navy web in the mids and you should see an improvement
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-02-14 11:13:24 UTC
so far i had great success with just watching and recalling my drones individually. if this does not work out for you, you could try one or more of the following:
- use a microjump drive to get range and snipe the small ships
- use remote reps to draw aggro and repair your drones
- stack a few faction webs in the mids to snipe the frigs when they are already on you

I should buy an Ishtar.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-02-14 12:16:13 UTC
Dilligafmofo wrote:
Fit a fed navy web in the mids and you should see an improvement


Large rails will never hit frig rats at web range with 10 webs...Roll
Pen Dulum
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-02-14 14:34:12 UTC
Micro jump drive ?

What will that do for me ?
Pen Dulum
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-02-14 14:39:35 UTC
Sorry cos i been away from eve for a bit it seems like they added it while i was away !

I just read up on it and i see what it does.



So does that mean i warp into mission pocket, hit the MJD jump out 100k snipe all, jump back (if i need to go thru gates) done ?
Dax Jr
Ivory Research LLC
#9 - 2013-02-14 15:12:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Dax Jr
Pen Dulum wrote:
I currently have marauders level 4 and fly a rail kronos. But its become very frustrating with drone agro now and when taking out the smaller ships has becomes a chore. Battleship size ships aint a problem just unless im 50k+ away from anything anything smaller is just painstakingly slow and annoying.

Any advice on what i can do next ?

Going the 'HAM Tengu' isnt really a option as i have next to no missile skills.

So what should i do ?
Will blasters work on a L4 kronos ?

Time to respec something else ?


Two tracking computers. Optimal range scripts allow you to hit rats for full damage beyond 60km with Antimatter L.

Fit a Federation Navy stasis webifier on your third medium slot. 90% web strength is extremely powerful. Shoot smaller rats when you first land in a pocket. Apply the web when frigates and webifier drones are within 5km range before unleashing your drones on them.

The fourth mid slot is up to you. A cap recharger, third tracking computer or even a target painter will help. I am using an omnidirectional tracking link nowadays to boost Garde IIs' range and tracking. My Kronos pours out 1,050 DPS up to 50km.

Remember that PvE in EVE is about range projection. Blasters will consume more time because you have to move to each group, while rats typically orbit at a given range. Which brings me to HAMs. Heavy Assault Missiles have too short a range and do not benefit from Guided Missile Precision. Scourge Precision Heavy Missiles supported by a target painter or warhead rigor catalyst kills frigates in less time.

Before deciding on a long term plan, learn to fly your Kronos to its maximum potential. You may opt to cross-train Minmatar and field a Vargur or Machariel in the future. Experiment until you find an optimal setup.

Zhantiii Arnoux wrote:
Hehe same thign with missiles if you dont fit it right.... i counted yesterday that it took 580 scourge fury to kill a small sig frig in a mission :D

Either ren and stimpy programmed my ships systems or its just way way waayyyy to overdone :)

All you need to do reallty is to use drone at a closer range, but seeing your ship is a rail kronos thats also gimping yourslef :/

Rail Kronos is fine. You are the one gimping yourself with an inferior ship.

sabre906 wrote:
Large rails will never hit frig rats at web range with 10 webs...Roll

I hit frigates all the time. 90% web strength. Ever tried Buzz Kill in a Kronos, Paladin, or Vindicator with proper web bonus? 0.03 rad/sec tracking on a large Railgun or Tachyon will shoot them down in one volley.

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Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-02-14 16:02:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Actually HAMs do benefit from guided missile precision, as do torpedoes and rockets now.

Edit:

In fact if we are talking about using T2 ammo then comparing javelin HAMs to precision heavies is very interesting with perfect skills and three T2 damage mods on a tengu with an accelerated ejection bay and no rigs:

Precision heavy:
Range: 47.2km
Explosion velocity: 145.5m/s
Explosion radius: 93.75m
74.3 DPS per launcher

Javelin HAM:
Range: 45.6km
Explosion velocity: 151.5m/s
Explosion radius: 93.75m
92.8 DPS per launcher

Now HAMs have a larger damage reduction factor, 4.6 vs 2.7, but given some target painting and a couple of rigor rigs they may be able to out damage precision heavies at about the same range against small targets while definitely performing better against large targets. I am not a tengu pilot so I can't test this but I think this might be why so many people love the HAM tengu.
CMD Ishikawa
New Eden Public Security Section 9
#11 - 2013-02-14 16:20:21 UTC
What if you use a Navy Domi with sentries?

Sentries are easier to handle the hatred against our Drones.
Conan edogawa
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-02-14 16:27:13 UTC
Not sure if they are working on a fix,

Or just don't give a fu*k about Gallente.
Dax Jr
Ivory Research LLC
#13 - 2013-02-14 16:33:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Dax Jr
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Actually HAMs do benefit from guided missile precision, as do torpedoes and rockets now.


Source?

I ask because of my tests with a HAM Tengu and torpedo Golem earlier this month.

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Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-02-14 16:37:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Dax Jr wrote:
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Actually HAMs do benefit from guided missile precision, as do torpedoes and rockets now.


Source?

I ask because my of tests with a HAM Tengu and torpedo Golem earlier this month.


Retribution 1.0 patch notes. http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

"The Guided Precision skill has been changed to affect all missiles."

I saw a very noticeable difference when shooting at elite frigates with my HAM legion when I finished guided missile precision 5.
Orlacc
#15 - 2013-02-14 16:52:51 UTC
Pen Dulum wrote:
Micro jump drive ?

What will that do for me ?



Yes

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-02-14 17:07:35 UTC
Pen Dulum wrote:
Sorry cos i been away from eve for a bit it seems like they added it while i was away !

I just read up on it and i see what it does.



So does that mean i warp into mission pocket, hit the MJD jump out 100k snipe all, jump back (if i need to go thru gates) done ?

pretty much. just keep your targeting range in mind, wouldn't want to overdo it, would we?

I should buy an Ishtar.
Dax Jr
Ivory Research LLC
#17 - 2013-02-14 17:13:27 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:


Retribution 1.0 patch notes. http://community.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

"The Guided Precision skill has been changed to affect all missiles."

I saw a very noticeable difference when shooting at elite frigates with my HAM legion when I finished guided missile precision 5.


Thank you.

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Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2013-02-14 18:28:08 UTC
Post your fit, maybe it needs a small tweak. I use various ships and find if I add a sebo and shoot the small things at range first it make life easier. I never send my light drones out more than 10km. I don't use mediums and heavies. Its either sentry or light. Haven't lost a drone yet. With at least 1 web you should be able to slow a cruiser down enough to kill when they are close.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-02-14 18:41:08 UTC
Dax Jr wrote:
Pen Dulum wrote:
I currently have marauders level 4 and fly a rail kronos. But its become very frustrating with drone agro now and when taking out the smaller ships has becomes a chore. Battleship size ships aint a problem just unless im 50k+ away from anything anything smaller is just painstakingly slow and annoying.

Any advice on what i can do next ?

Going the 'HAM Tengu' isnt really a option as i have next to no missile skills.

So what should i do ?
Will blasters work on a L4 kronos ?

Time to respec something else ?


Two tracking computers. Optimal range scripts allow you to hit rats for full damage beyond 60km with Antimatter L.

Fit a Federation Navy stasis webifier on your third medium slot. 90% web strength is extremely powerful. Shoot smaller rats when you first land in a pocket. Apply the web when frigates and webifier drones are within 5km range before unleashing your drones on them.

The fourth mid slot is up to you. A cap recharger, third tracking computer or even a target painter will help. I am using an omnidirectional tracking link nowadays to boost Garde IIs' range and tracking. My Kronos pours out 1,050 DPS up to 50km.

Remember that PvE in EVE is about range projection. Blasters will consume more time because you have to move to each group, while rats typically orbit at a given range. Which brings me to HAMs. Heavy Assault Missiles have too short a range and do not benefit from Guided Missile Precision. Scourge Precision Heavy Missiles supported by a target painter or warhead rigor catalyst kills frigates in less time.

Before deciding on a long term plan, learn to fly your Kronos to its maximum potential. You may opt to cross-train Minmatar and field a Vargur or Machariel in the future. Experiment until you find an optimal setup.

Zhantiii Arnoux wrote:
Hehe same thign with missiles if you dont fit it right.... i counted yesterday that it took 580 scourge fury to kill a small sig frig in a mission :D

Either ren and stimpy programmed my ships systems or its just way way waayyyy to overdone :)

All you need to do reallty is to use drone at a closer range, but seeing your ship is a rail kronos thats also gimping yourslef :/

Rail Kronos is fine. You are the one gimping yourself with an inferior ship.

sabre906 wrote:
Large rails will never hit frig rats at web range with 10 webs...Roll

I hit frigates all the time. 90% web strength. Ever tried Buzz Kill in a Kronos, Paladin, or Vindicator with proper web bonus? 0.03 rad/sec tracking on a large Railgun or Tachyon will shoot them down in one volley.


Read: At web range. And that's web range for a Kronos, not Bhaal. Giving the sig radius and scan resolution gap, 0.03 rad/sec is nowhere close to enough at web range, at any web strength. And these large rails are 0.01 rad/sec, not 0.03, swap all your TC scripts to tracking and it still won't cut it.
Dax Jr
Ivory Research LLC
#20 - 2013-02-14 18:50:32 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Read: At web range. And that's web range for a Kronos, not Bhaal. Giving the sig radius and scan resolution gap, 0.03 rad/sec is nowhere close to enough at web range, at any web strength. And these large rails are 0.01 rad/sec, not 0.03, swap all your TC scripts to tracking and it still won't cut it.


Right. Two tracking speed scripts. I blap frigates after bringing them down to 30 m/s transversal.

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