These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Assembly Hall

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

[Issue] Undock – “Are you sure?”-Window
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Shu'Meyo
Artificial Acquisitions
#1 - 2013-02-05 16:31:46 UTC
Simply put, an “Are you sure?”-style window should be added to the ‘undock’ button. This would be an extremely easy implementation and would, of course, have the check box to never be seen again (and resettable in the “Reset Suppress Message settings” tab of the main menu).

My reason for such a request: During wartime, I miss-clicked ‘undock’ when trying to un-minimize a window in Jita and was dead before the station even loaded in space. Yes, I should have been more careful. Nevertheless, such a window has great benefit at times, would produce no detrimental effect to anyone, and is extremely easy to implement into the game.

(Notice that I’m not asking for some sort of undocking cloak or invulnerability – just a simple window.)

Thoughts?

- Shu’Meyo
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-02-05 16:53:45 UTC
You know you can already stop your undock, right? Just click Abort.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-02-05 20:50:34 UTC
I think the message should say something like, "By clicking this button, you consent to be the unwilling target of PvP actions."

Proud member of the New Order of HighSec
Abulurd Boniface
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-02-05 21:10:51 UTC
Vin King wrote:
I think the message should say something like, "By clicking this button, you consent to be the unwilling target of PvP actions."


I don't really agree with this. I don't consent to be the target of involuntary PvP, it's just a fact of life in EVE and people should get the hell over it already. If you can't stand being shot at, what are you doing there in the first place?

As for the 'are you sure' button, no. Unless there's a checkbox that says 'never show this box again', because I'm not going click again to undock. I've clicked 'undock', because that's what I wanted to do. Also, there's this nice, shiny 'cancel' button, and you have plenty of time to click it.

It's EVE, people. It's the game of consequences. Pay attention. The price of not paying attention is your ship and/or pod going poof, if that does not give you pause to pay attention to where you are: situational awareness as it were, then really, you've got nobody else to blame.

Please don't ask for another helmet so that you wouldn't bang your head against the bulkhead.

Pay attention.

And I'm certainly not saying this to be smug, because I've had my ass kicked more than once through inattention. Losing the ship is the price of the lesson. This is EVE. She does not come and sit at your bed side and say "Pilot, what you did just then was silly and a mistake, and you should not do that. Bad people will come and they will try and hurt you. It's sad, but some people do that, maybe it was something in their upbringing. Father drank, mother ate, who knows what went on there. So please, click the shiny button here, wait until the angels sing that everything is safe and then fly away while the rest of the station lovingly waves goodbye." That's not how she rolls. "Pilot! You messed up. Time to pay the price. A new ship type is n amount of ISK on the local market. People will sell you just as many as you need until you learn not to mess up anymore. You're welcome, idiot!"

Shut up and take the medicine.
Shu'Meyo
Artificial Acquisitions
#5 - 2013-02-05 21:24:05 UTC
Abulurd Boniface wrote:

As for the 'are you sure' button, no. Unless there's a checkbox that says 'never show this box again', because I'm not going click again to undock. I've clicked 'undock', because that's what I wanted to do. Also, there's this nice, shiny 'cancel' button, and you have plenty of time to click it.

It's EVE, people. It's the game of consequences. Pay attention. The price of not paying attention is your ship and/or pod going poof, if that does not give you pause to pay attention to where you are: situational awareness as it were, then really, you've got nobody else to blame.


1) I specified above that the window should contain the same "Never show me this again" option as all the others presently in the game.

2) The obvious implication of your argument is the removal of all “Are you sure?” windows. I’m sure there are those that appreciate the ones currently present. I simply request one more.

Abort button notwithstanding, I believe this additional “Are you sure?” window to be more beneficial than harmful.
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-02-05 21:33:18 UTC
Abulurd Boniface wrote:

I don't consent to be the target of involuntary PvP, it's just a fact of life in EVE[...]


That statement is a bit contradictory. If it's a fact of life in EvE, but you don't consent to it, that means you don't consent to playing EvE. Undocking IS consent to PvP. Some people just don't realize that. A little message that reminds them might help them enjoy the game a bit more.

Proud member of the New Order of HighSec
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-02-13 18:03:52 UTC
Vin King wrote:
Abulurd Boniface wrote:

I don't consent to be the target of involuntary PvP, it's just a fact of life in EVE[...]


That statement is a bit contradictory. If it's a fact of life in EvE, but you don't consent to it, that means you don't consent to playing EvE. Undocking IS consent to PvP. Some people just don't realize that. A little message that reminds them might help them enjoy the game a bit more.


I disagree. Thats like saying that someone that lives in a 3rd world warzone consents to being potentially killed when they step outside.

EVE is brutal, yes, but it isnt WoW. In WoW you EXPLICITLY consent to PvP (depending on server of course). In EVE, it's out of your hands, but it does not mean tha you consent to it.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#8 - 2013-02-13 19:54:32 UTC

I'm not opposed to the "are you sure" dialog box as long as we can permanently disable the first time it annoys us by simply hitting a checkbox...

Another option might be: Add the ability to "move" the undock button to a different location on your UI.

Syaran
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-02-14 10:20:01 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
Vin King wrote:
Abulurd Boniface wrote:

I don't consent to be the target of involuntary PvP, it's just a fact of life in EVE[...]


That statement is a bit contradictory. If it's a fact of life in EvE, but you don't consent to it, that means you don't consent to playing EvE. Undocking IS consent to PvP. Some people just don't realize that. A little message that reminds them might help them enjoy the game a bit more.


I disagree. Thats like saying that someone that lives in a 3rd world warzone consents to being potentially killed when they step outside.

EVE is brutal, yes, but it isnt WoW. In WoW you EXPLICITLY consent to PvP (depending on server of course). In EVE, it's out of your hands, but it does not mean tha you consent to it.


This is where you re wrong. By undocking, you explicitly consent to any and all risks that the big bad world might hold. I don't see how this is different from WoW, EVE is simply one big PvP server. And yes, it can be compared to someone who lives in a warzone. By continuing to live there, you take the risk that you may potentially get killed. Not everyone always has the option to get out of that situation, but thinking "I've never harmed anyone so nobody will come to harm me" is just terribly naive.
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#10 - 2013-02-14 12:32:46 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
Vin King wrote:
Abulurd Boniface wrote:

I don't consent to be the target of involuntary PvP, it's just a fact of life in EVE[...]


That statement is a bit contradictory. If it's a fact of life in EvE, but you don't consent to it, that means you don't consent to playing EvE. Undocking IS consent to PvP. Some people just don't realize that. A little message that reminds them might help them enjoy the game a bit more.


I disagree. Thats like saying that someone that lives in a 3rd world warzone consents to being potentially killed when they step outside.

Shocked

Seriously, you are comparing Eve to a 3rd world warzone???? Way to much 'Drama' right there.

BTW, your comparrison is waaaaay off. That person does not choose to live in a warzone and most probably does not have the means to move somewhere else.

in Eve, undocking IS consenting. And as for an 'are you sure you want to undock' message.... OMG how much handholding do you want in a game? Sheesh!

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-02-14 21:49:09 UTC
Ok, so I guess I consent to potentially getting hit by a car when I step outside today. Since thats what consent means.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB
Abulurd Boniface
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-02-16 10:11:39 UTC
Syaran wrote:

This is where you re wrong. By undocking, you explicitly consent to any and all risks that the big bad world might hold. I don't see how this is different from WoW, EVE is simply one big PvP server. And yes, it can be compared to someone who lives in a warzone. By continuing to live there, you take the risk that you may potentially get killed. Not everyone always has the option to get out of that situation, but thinking "I've never harmed anyone so nobody will come to harm me" is just terribly naive.


This is debating the meaning of a word here.

'consent' is explicitly engaging in an activity. Like having sex. you and I agree on a course of action

For me, clicking the button is not 'consenting to PvP'. I don't see it that way. I don't agree that I should be on the receiving end of the ammunition you so generously send my way.

However, although I do not consent to PvP per se, I don't have a problem with it. I can and do accept the consequence. You emerge from the murky depths of space and start shooting me? Hey, it's living in the big city. It is what will happen. That is why I consider the boat being lost when I click 'Undock'. I don't need an 'are you sure' reminder. It's a given that someone is out there, waiting for the opportunity. If you know 'they' are out there, what's the point of complaining about it?

I don't believe I'm contradicting myself. I can accept a consequence of an action without necessarily consenting to it. You came and blew up my Orca. Did I consent to that? No sir, i did not. Does it mean I'm going to mope in a corner and mewl about all the bad people in this place and how they should not be able to do that to me, poor space miner? That day will never come, don't even remotely hope for it.

I've lost ships before, I'll lose many more. Is it convenient? Not is not. What's the answer to that problem? Get a new ship and carry on. What else are you going to do? A lot of whining in coms, moping in local, shaking with rage, sending mail [I can't believe people do that] to the guy blowing up your boat complaining about the fact they attacked 'unprovoked'? It does not change a damn thing. You lost a boat, you need a new one. Get a new one, carry on.

I don't have the slightest problem with that, however, clicking the button of and by itself does not mean I consent to that course of action.

That's all I wanted to say. I'm just using many words to do that Big smile
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-02-19 19:00:23 UTC
Shu'Meyo wrote:
Simply put, an “Are you sure?”-style window should be added to the ‘undock’ button. This would be an extremely easy implementation and would, of course, have the check box to never be seen again (and resettable in the “Reset Suppress Message settings” tab of the main menu).

My reason for such a request: During wartime, I miss-clicked ‘undock’ when trying to un-minimize a window in Jita and was dead before the station even loaded in space. Yes, I should have been more careful. Nevertheless, such a window has great benefit at times, would produce no detrimental effect to anyone, and is extremely easy to implement into the game.

(Notice that I’m not asking for some sort of undocking cloak or invulnerability – just a simple window.)

Thoughts?

- Shu’Meyo

Proposing a change to the game because a lone pilot made a mistake is bad game design.

Summary of EvEs last four expansions: http://imgur.com/ZL5SM33
Eliniale
Co-operative Resource Extraction
#14 - 2013-02-20 11:28:03 UTC
Shu'Meyo wrote:
Simply put, an “Are you sure?”-style window should be added to the ‘undock’ button. This would be an extremely easy implementation and would, of course, have the check box to never be seen again (and resettable in the “Reset Suppress Message settings” tab of the main menu).

My reason for such a request: During wartime, I miss-clicked ‘undock’ when trying to un-minimize a window in Jita and was dead before the station even loaded in space. Yes, I should have been more careful. Nevertheless, such a window has great benefit at times, would produce no detrimental effect to anyone, and is extremely easy to implement into the game.

(Notice that I’m not asking for some sort of undocking cloak or invulnerability – just a simple window.)

Thoughts?

- Shu’Meyo


And miss the hilarity that ensured by your error? NEVER!

In all seriousness though, we've all made mistakes, some that could have been avoided by an 'are you sure?' window. HOWEVER, because eve doesn't hold your hand every step of the way, interesting and unexpected circumstances can arise.
For instance an 'are you sure?' button would have prevented a titan from jumping on his own rather than bridging his fellows. The result: one of the biggest bouts of carnage yet :p

System ideas: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191928&find=unread
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#15 - 2013-02-20 16:46:07 UTC
Sorry, no. There's already an abort button explicitly for this purpose.

If you were proposing a pop up for when you were about to undock with an out of date clone, I would be cool with that. In fact I would support it readily. But no to this. You already get plenty of warning.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf