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Warped Spider
Pod Mods INC
#1 - 2013-02-13 12:31:37 UTC
Hello all

I want to ask the question regarding the surrender mechanic.

There has been a number of Corps that have started to War Dec corps and demand Isk to un-dec them.

Is this acceptable?

Is this not going back to the days of mafia and the ways of extortion.
If this is the way of the game, why can i not go to the New Eden Police and open a case against them?


Was the intent of this mechanic to kill off all the small player corps and get them all to jump back into NPC corps??

If so, OP sucess.

If not what are you doing about it CCP? Sad

You wanted to promote the smaller corps so that they grow into med sized and take on low and null according to your last minutes?
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#2 - 2013-02-13 12:39:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jint Hikaru
Totaly legit!!!

THIS IS EVE!!! <--- [read this with a "This is Sparta" voice in your head]

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#3 - 2013-02-13 12:40:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
This is fully acceptable. Even if you would give them ISK and they would continue the war despite their promise to end it: that would still be fully acceptable. Even if they gank you for 100 mil and extend their war for two weeks, that's fully acceptable. I am not seeing the problem here. Oh wait, you are an industrialist and you can't fly pew pew ships? You percieve a certain unfairness? Well, then now might be the time to start spending that ISK and hire some help.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-02-13 12:41:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Smaller Corp are promoted.

As a small corp myself I have not been wardecced.... EVER. You are given the tools to defend yourself if you can't do it yourself an ally can.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Aracimia Wolfe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-02-13 12:44:03 UTC
Fully legit, failing that spend the money on allies, or fight them on the beaches!

Kill it with Fire!

Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#6 - 2013-02-13 12:44:35 UTC
Warped Spider wrote:
Hello all

I want to ask the question regarding the surrender mechanic.
There has been a number of Corps that have started to War Dec corps and demand Isk to un-dec them.
Is this acceptable?
Is this not going back to the days of mafia and the ways of extortion.
If this is the way of the game, why can i not go to the New Eden Police and open a case against them?
Was the intent of this mechanic to kill off all the small player corps and get them all to jump back into NPC corps??
If so, OP sucess.
If not what are you doing about it CCP? Sad

You wanted to promote the smaller corps so that they grow into med sized and take on low and null according to your last minutes?



Because: there is no New Eden Police.
There's Concord, that, in this case, simply declared legal those war dec and ask a tax for this. Basically the only thing illegal for them is making wars without paying a fee to them, what could you expect?

But, out of curiosity, you seem to consider extorsion and such as some "out of game" element, and not a legit gameplay to deal and play with. Why so?

And again, how could you survive to low sec or null if you have this idea?
Warped Spider
Pod Mods INC
#7 - 2013-02-13 12:45:03 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
This is fully acceptable. Even if you would give them ISK and they would continue the war despite their promise to end it: that would still be fully acceptable. Even if they gank you for 100 mil and extend their war for two weeks, that's fully acceptable. I am not seeing the problem here. Oh wait, you are an industrialist and you can't fly pew pew ships? You percieve a certain unfairness? Well, then now might be the time to start spending that ISK and hire some help.



If you noticed i am not in a corp and i am a noob still and learning.

I have just noticed a lot of people complaining regarding this.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#8 - 2013-02-13 12:48:05 UTC
On a side note, I wanted to say industrialists can utilize contracting and their social network to get stuff moved and get stuff done, without even ever having to undock. Does this impose more risk? Does it require more effort? Yes, wardecs will always hamper you in some way, but it's not like a wardec fully takes you out of business. Invest in redundancy and stock, and wardecs soon become an annoyance rather then an actual problem.
Warped Spider
Pod Mods INC
#9 - 2013-02-13 12:53:08 UTC
I agree with you, you should take steps to avoid it if you are an indy corp.

But should we start a high sec corp and be a hire out corp that will be allies?

gun for hire?
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#10 - 2013-02-13 12:58:03 UTC
Warped Spider wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
This is fully acceptable. Even if you would give them ISK and they would continue the war despite their promise to end it: that would still be fully acceptable. Even if they gank you for 100 mil and extend their war for two weeks, that's fully acceptable. I am not seeing the problem here. Oh wait, you are an industrialist and you can't fly pew pew ships? You percieve a certain unfairness? Well, then now might be the time to start spending that ISK and hire some help.



If you noticed i am not in a corp and i am a noob still and learning.

I have just noticed a lot of people complaining regarding this.


I understand, I didn't want to sound arrogant or anything, just confirming this is completely valid and within the EULA and there are many tools to deal with wardecs. Our corp has been through some wars and only in one of them, our War Targets actually sought us out in lowsec. All other times they just camped trade hubs, so we just hoarded some stuff we normally haul out twice a week. Oh... and we had a guy in a blockade runner zipping around. A little redundancy in your industry, and the balls to anchor a tower in lowsec, solves 90% of most wardec issues. It's just that people love to cry when their income is impacted, without realising there are lots of options to get through a wardec with minimal losses.
Warped Spider
Pod Mods INC
#11 - 2013-02-13 13:02:25 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Warped Spider wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
This is fully acceptable. Even if you would give them ISK and they would continue the war despite their promise to end it: that would still be fully acceptable. Even if they gank you for 100 mil and extend their war for two weeks, that's fully acceptable. I am not seeing the problem here. Oh wait, you are an industrialist and you can't fly pew pew ships? You percieve a certain unfairness? Well, then now might be the time to start spending that ISK and hire some help.



If you noticed i am not in a corp and i am a noob still and learning.

I have just noticed a lot of people complaining regarding this.


I understand, I didn't want to sound arrogant or anything, just confirming this is completely valid and within the EULA and there are many tools to deal with wardecs. Our corp has been through some wars and only in one of them, our War Targets actually sought us out in lowsec. All other times they just camped trade hubs, so we just hoarded some stuff we normally haul out twice a week. Oh... and we had a guy in a blockade runner zipping around. A little redundancy in your industry, and the balls to anchor a tower in lowsec, solves 90% of most wardec issues. It's just that people love to cry when their income is impacted, without realising there are lots of options to get through a wardec with minimal losses.


so low sec and pos towers are the way to go to avoid wars?

why not hunt them down than wait for them to hunt you.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#12 - 2013-02-13 13:06:01 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Totaly legit!!!

THIS IS EVE!!! <--- [read this with a "This is Sparta" voice in your head]

You need to kick someone into a wormhole ass first to make it work.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#13 - 2013-02-13 13:07:48 UTC
Don't see a problem here, vaild tactic.

Carry on.
Warped Spider
Pod Mods INC
#14 - 2013-02-13 13:07:52 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Totaly legit!!!

THIS IS EVE!!! <--- [read this with a "This is Sparta" voice in your head]

You need to kick someone into a wormhole ass first to make it work.


Make sure it collapses after they enter :)
Generals4
#15 - 2013-02-13 13:08:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Generals4
Warped Spider wrote:
Hello all

I want to ask the question regarding the surrender mechanic.

There has been a number of Corps that have started to War Dec corps and demand Isk to un-dec them.

Is this acceptable?

Is this not going back to the days of mafia and the ways of extortion.
If this is the way of the game, why can i not go to the New Eden Police and open a case against them?


Was the intent of this mechanic to kill off all the small player corps and get them all to jump back into NPC corps??

If so, OP sucess.

If not what are you doing about it CCP? Sad

You wanted to promote the smaller corps so that they grow into med sized and take on low and null according to your last minutes?



1st: how is that any different from holding someone's ship or pod with a point and asking for a ransom?
2nd: In case you didn't know a war dec is precisely the new eden police being bribed to allow two corporations to fight. Why would you ask that same police, which has been bribed to allow a corp to war dec yours, to open a case?

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
Warped Spider
Pod Mods INC
#16 - 2013-02-13 13:10:07 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
Warped Spider wrote:
Hello all

I want to ask the question regarding the surrender mechanic.

There has been a number of Corps that have started to War Dec corps and demand Isk to un-dec them.

Is this acceptable?

Is this not going back to the days of mafia and the ways of extortion.
If this is the way of the game, why can i not go to the New Eden Police and open a case against them?


Was the intent of this mechanic to kill off all the small player corps and get them all to jump back into NPC corps??

If so, OP sucess.

If not what are you doing about it CCP? Sad

You wanted to promote the smaller corps so that they grow into med sized and take on low and null according to your last minutes?



1st: how is that any different from holding someone's ship or pod with a point and asking for a ransom?
2nd: In case you didn't know a war dec is precisely the new eden police being bribed to allow two corporations to fight. Why would you ask that same police, which has been bribed to allow a corp to war dec yours, to open a case?



not in so many words,

is there a list of allies that you can call upon to say come crush my attackers?
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-02-13 13:20:48 UTC
Warped Spider wrote:

not in so many words,

is there a list of allies that you can call upon to say come crush my attackers?


Welcome to EVE! Crime and Punishment is a sub forum here that is a bit of an abomination. You will find a lot of pirates and scum there, but you will also find mercenary offers:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=252

Here is one random merc offer:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182981&find=unread

Mercenaries cost money of course. It's better to team up with corps who can actually fight back.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-02-13 13:24:25 UTC
If you can't defend what is yours then it was never really yours in the first place.
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#19 - 2013-02-13 13:25:34 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Smaller Corp are promoted.

As a small corp myself I have not been wardecced.... EVER. You are given the tools to defend yourself if you can't do it yourself an ally can.


Says Cannibal "new corp monthly" Kane of all people

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
Merouk Baas
#20 - 2013-02-13 13:33:42 UTC
When people say "EVE is harsh" this is what they mean. Extortion, scams, killing you for no reason, bounties for no reason, corp theft, preying on newbies, all are encouraged by the game and by the developers. If you don't feel that this is fair or this is the game for you, we don't mind, there are other games out there.

People do get pissed off if you try to ask CCP to change the game; they like the way it is now, and want to continue playing the game the way it is.
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