EVE General Discussion

was talkin with a new player and this is what he thought of the game

I thought about playing some eve lately and buying maybe 6 months sub try help me get into it. I saw the 3 month deal and might just get that.
The major issues i usually run into when playing eve:
*The loneliness of space. Don't really run into many ships to do stuff with (i like pve but eve doesn't lend itself to getting some ppl together and running some complexes ect really want to try some incursions but that hasn't come to be either)
*The lack of grind. Might seem silly to some people but i actually miss something to work at with the skill system working at in real time. Theres isk, and rep which are really trivial and something you mostly have to work at solo. Which defeats the purpose of an mmorpg imo.
*Time to progress. I dont like the fact that skills take 2 months to aquire. it makes me feel like i just bought the skill for the price of 2 subs and it gets delivered in 2 months.
Most of the time the only way to determine if there are other people in the system is by local or scanning and not actually seeing them with avatars, When you do run into their avatars I* Find you don't have that interactions like in other mmorpgs where you say "hey, Wana go mine some rocks?" because they usually wana just blow you out of the sky :) or wont interact at all..
Now that's cool, I understand what eve is, and how pvp plays into that.
You play with corps or a white list of players rather than stranger
But it would be nice to be able to search for "randoms" to fill the void when the corp is bizzy.

Dont know how CCP can fix this. My personality i knew the game was hard when i first started..i really didnt care i did research, talked on forums, in game etc to figure things out. ran across some cool people and i still play with them today...i basically lucked up in finding a good set up friends rather quickly in my eve career. some people might have a harder time fitting in. i think alot of people feel this way about eve after the first few days. i know eve doesnt hold your hand but i do sometimes forget how it feels to be new again. maybe they could find a way to you know make the game like climbing steps..where its a bit easy and progressively gets more complex instead of skyrocketing like a hot stock exchange item.

Don't know how exactly it needs fixing.

I invite loads of new pilots i see on the forums to come fleet up with me and my friends. Funny that the one thing he felt was standing between him and new friends (people wanting to kill him) is exactly the same reason most new players don't engage with older ones at first.

New players enter EvE with the view that anyone older than them wants to kill them, and while to a great extent this is true it's important to place yourself in those situations anyway. If you think they might gank you, fly a cheapy **** fit ship the first couple of times.

Chances are you will quickly iron out the bad ones and find the good ones, this is the ONLY way to do it.

(Obligatory "send him my name" and i'll get him fleeted and having a laugh)

As a returning player myself I understand how you feel, my friends list used to be nice and full, now its all red squares and blank portraits.

Thankfully I have joined a small corp admittedly but when people are on its active and I also managed to find a nice little channel for chat and doing stuff whilst runnig explorations in a lesser travelled section of space.

The time it takes to progress skills is a good one and should also have been in DUST (curse those who require instant gratification).

You will get to know people over time and creat new friends to do the engagements and participate in corporate activites - they are out there.

keep an eye on local, if you plan on staying in a system for a while for mining or exploring, if there are other people around say hi in local, you never know who you might meet - i even got given a free heron when i was starting out exploring as well as some great advice

Good luck o/

Quite honestly, the guy sounds like he is not looking for us. He has got his mind set about how a game should be and then comes to a new game and expects it to be like the things he already knows. It has got something of a rant and either he stops flapping his jaw and gets behind EVE, climbs the learning curve, or he will drop out rather soon and because he cannot be bothered with it.

EVE is not a grind and to have it as a goal is really not the kind of player I want to have in EVE. One can find grind, one can grind, but it is just an excuse for not conquering all the possible things one can do in EVE, which is a massive game world full of opportunities.

After 4 years of EVE do I continue to find things that just blow my mind. I could never go into another game and start looking for something to grind! The mere thought of it is mind blowing.

I'm two months into EVE, minus a week or two while I replace the comp after a slight explosion in my viewscreen.

I don't mind the loneliness at all...partly because I want to do AFK stuff too, like read books, forums and so on.

And also because I like to learn slowly. By osmosis almost.

I didn't find it difficult to kit out a Retriever and get mining, and that suits me fine.

Frontiers are important, I think. Games need an unknown to always be out there.

Otherwise there is nothing to learn or fear, and thus no fun.

Not sure if EVE has that. I'll know better in a month or two.

Alternatively get your friend to join BNI and he can experience the wonders of the universe from the other side of the cockpit of his now burning and wrecked rifter! 7o

It's not up to CCP to fix that. EVE is a different kind of game, and we like it just so. The multi-month skill queue teaches you patience, and rewards your patience with a skill level and an extra 2/5/10% whatever advantage over the impatient people. It makes your character much more important to you, and makes you absolutely unlikely to forget updating your clone.

The lack of player interaction in PVE space is par for the course. People who PVE are usually looking for the "single player experience", so they won't be talking much and they certainly will never commit to anything. If you want multi-player I suggest you join a PvP oriented corp in low or nullsec. Players there are generally friendly - at least to each other and to other blues. Friendships can be forged. There's nothing like combat to bring people together, when someone saves your arse or vice-versa. When you know you can count on someone it makes investing in the relationship worthwhile.

Be warned however, you will be required to interact with the corp you join. People who join a corp but are "just in it for themselves" are usually kicked pretty quickly. You'll have to participate, and you'll have to communicate on teamspeak, etc.

As for the lack of grind, I will simply put that one down to lack of experience with the game. If anything EVE has too much grind... grind for standings, grind for bounties, grind for sov, grind grind grind...

Eve is not for everyone. Working as intended.

We have local chat for a reason.
Start talking, others will respond.

Or make yourself some pretend-friends like most out there who shoot themselves in the foot.

EVE is different from the other MMO in the market for all the reasons you mentioned. EVE is a harsh and unforgiving place, where you start alone with nothing and where you need to be patient to acquire and become what you want. It's a sandbox. The level of metagaming of it's players, the involvment they have both in the official forums, on third party ones and all the player created content, like sov wars and drama makes hard to believe for me one could even feel alone. Instead, it just show how big this world is and how small you are in it, but not that you are alone.

So there is no way CCP would ''fix'' that cause it works as intended.