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Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#61 - 2013-02-04 21:53:57 UTC
Calapine wrote:
Quick question:


  1. Let's say I have a Per/Will specced alt.
  2. I train BC V up to 99% finished, taking advantage of the perfectly matching attributes.
  3. When the patch goes life the invested SP will be refunded and I'll be able to spend them on something else.
  4. For example Char/Wil leadership skills that aren't worth respeccing for.
  5. ???
  6. PROFIT!


Is that an accurate summary?

To my knowledge, step 3 hasn't been acknowledged by anyone at CCP. If it has, I apparently missed something... do you have a link?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#62 - 2013-02-05 03:00:42 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Glathull wrote:
Zor'katar wrote:
Considering how consciencious CCP has been about giving people a chance to plan for this, I would be extremely surprised if they make this change any earlier than they have committed to.



But you have to admit . . . the level of rage on the forums would be un****ing believable if CCP flip flopped on this and pushed it back up before the summer expansion.

I would love to see them pull off an epic troll like that. Even if it did cost me a couple of months of training.

So i guess that makes EVE the only game where players will rage about the developers delivering things ahead of schedule. We were told about the skill change 3 months ago, it is not scheduled for another 34 months, If they move it up a month we will still have had 6 months notice to train a skill that takes about 1 month to train. Anyone who would rage about that is not someone I would care about if they rage quit. Do you really have nothing better to complain about a game developer exceeding expectations? Delivering promises ahead of schedule is a good thing.

Actually we were first warned of this change over a year ago now I believe. Beginning of 2012 they started talking about it.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#63 - 2013-02-05 03:06:33 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Actually we were first warned of this change over a year ago now I believe. Beginning of 2012 they started talking about it.


March 6, 2012.
Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp
#64 - 2013-02-05 23:51:13 UTC
Zor'katar wrote:
Calapine wrote:
Quick question:


  1. Let's say I have a Per/Will specced alt.
  2. I train BC V up to 99% finished, taking advantage of the perfectly matching attributes.
  3. When the patch goes life the invested SP will be refunded and I'll be able to spend them on something else.
  4. For example Char/Wil leadership skills that aren't worth respeccing for.
  5. ???
  6. PROFIT!


Is that an accurate summary?

To my knowledge, step 3 hasn't been acknowledged by anyone at CCP. If it has, I apparently missed something... do you have a link?


No. What has been acknowledged by CCP is that no partial levels are given out. eg no racial BC 4.5. Which leaves two options:

A) Any SP invested towards an unfinished rank will be lost
B) SP spent training on an unfinished rank will be refunded.

My prior experience suggests that A) is very, very unlikely.

Pain is short, and joy is eternal.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#65 - 2013-02-06 07:54:24 UTC
Updating!

  • Amarr Frigate V
  • Caldari Frigate V
  • Gallente Frigate V
  • Minmatar Frigate V
  • Destroyer V
  • Amarr Cruiser V
  • Caldari Cruiser V
  • Gallente Cruiser III
  • Minmatar Cruiser III (IV in 30 hours)
  • Battlecruisers V


I am now ready for the change. Though I might get Gallente Cruiser to IV, just because.
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#66 - 2013-02-06 16:58:37 UTC
Calapine wrote:
No. What has been acknowledged by CCP is that no partial levels are given out. eg no racial BC 4.5. Which leaves two options:

A) Any SP invested towards an unfinished rank will be lost
B) SP spent training on an unfinished rank will be refunded.

My prior experience suggests that A) is very, very unlikely.

Sure, but I doubt a whole lot of people are going to risk a month of training for the potential of saving a couple of days, especially when that advantage relies on never training more than one racial BC to 5.
Asskick Mcstompnuts
BGE Prophets Productions
Two Vargurs one Hole
#67 - 2013-02-06 17:35:42 UTC
MY POST IS POPULAR! LIFE GOAL **** YEAH!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#68 - 2013-02-07 09:38:21 UTC
Super spikinator wrote:
Updating!

  • Amarr Frigate V
  • Caldari Frigate V
  • Gallente Frigate V
  • Minmatar Frigate V
  • Destroyer V
  • Amarr Cruiser V
  • Caldari Cruiser V
  • Gallente Cruiser III
  • Minmatar Cruiser III (IV in 30 hours)
  • Battlecruisers V


I am now ready for the change. Though I might get Gallente Cruiser to IV, just because.


You might as well get the last 2 Cruiser Vs. 4 Cruiser Vs makes getting T2 Cruiser skills really nice, plus you'll be nerf-proof!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#69 - 2013-02-07 13:43:43 UTC
Calapine wrote:
A) Any SP invested towards an unfinished rank will be lost
B) SP spent training on an unfinished rank will be refunded.

My prior experience suggests that A) is very, very unlikely.


You apparently missed C), which splits the skill at the level you currently have it trained to the the exact level of SP. I didn't really see it coming either, but there you go.
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#70 - 2013-02-07 14:14:05 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Calapine wrote:
A) Any SP invested towards an unfinished rank will be lost
B) SP spent training on an unfinished rank will be refunded.

My prior experience suggests that A) is very, very unlikely.


You apparently missed C), which splits the skill at the level you currently have it trained to the the exact level of SP. I didn't really see it coming either, but there you go.


Actually it's pretty much precisely what i would have expected (technically it's the easiest since you simply copy a field in your DB to 4 new fields) before Calapine wrote it was acknowledged to not happen. Some acknowledgement that must have been :).
Aria Ta'Rohk
Wildcard.
Boundary Experts
#71 - 2013-02-07 16:05:26 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Calapine wrote:
A) Any SP invested towards an unfinished rank will be lost
B) SP spent training on an unfinished rank will be refunded.

My prior experience suggests that A) is very, very unlikely.


You apparently missed C), which splits the skill at the level you currently have it trained to the the exact level of SP. I didn't really see it coming either, but there you go.

It has been stated the clearest there than it ever has anywhere else in months. If anyone asks when it the changw will happen and what they need after this point I will find and pod them.

I'll take 2 carebears to go, with extra tears
Marionaitte
Perkone
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-02-07 17:53:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Marionaitte
Someone Else already posten the link.
Alexander Sinclair
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2013-02-07 20:52:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexander Sinclair
Solotta Erquilenne wrote:
since CCP has repeatedly made "if you can fly now, you can fly it after the change." Their mantra, i would think that to get the racial BC skill at 5 you would need to have the cruiser skill at lvl 5 in addition to BC 5. This is because the only ships that would require racial BC 5 are commandships, and they currently require the racial cruiser at 5 plus the commandship skill. Right now you could have amarr cruiser 3 and BC 5 and fly harbingers all day, but since you can't fly an abso/damnation, there is no guarantee that you'll get amarr BC 5.


I believe they said you will only need Racial Cruisers 3 in all the races and Battlecruisers 5 to get all the Battlecruisers to 5. From here http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74234

Dev Blog wrote:
Destroyers and Battlecruisers, please fill your reimbursement form

That was for the easy part. As mentioned above, since we are splitting Destroyers and Battlecruisers skills in four, we need to make sure we reimburse those properly to follow the motto of “if you could fly it before, you can fly it now” that we have been stating for quite a while now.

To understand how we are going to proceed, it’s wiser to have a look at current ship requirement themselves.

At the moment on Tranquility, the Prophecy requires two skills to fly: Amarr Cruiser 3 and Battlecruiser 1. Thus, if you have these two skills when the change happens, we will give you Amarr Battlecruiser 1. Simple so far.

The trick is to remember that the Prophecy bonuses are based on the Battlecruiser skill. Thus, if you want to maximize the reimbursement, training Amarr Cruiser past 3 will do you little good. Aim for Battlecruisers 5 instead, as you will then get Amarr Battlecruiser 5.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#74 - 2013-02-08 06:13:14 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Super spikinator wrote:
Updating!

  • Amarr Frigate V
  • Caldari Frigate V
  • Gallente Frigate V
  • Minmatar Frigate V
  • Destroyer V
  • Amarr Cruiser V
  • Caldari Cruiser V
  • Gallente Cruiser III
  • Minmatar Cruiser III (IV in 30 hours)
  • Battlecruisers V


I am now ready for the change. Though I might get Gallente Cruiser to IV, just because.


You might as well get the last 2 Cruiser Vs. 4 Cruiser Vs makes getting T2 Cruiser skills really nice, plus you'll be nerf-proof!


Cruisers to V is a medium term goal. Short term goal is to get core missile skills up so I can fly missile orientated frigates better, especially since I will be using the vengeance a lot more when the armour changes come in.
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#75 - 2013-02-08 13:48:10 UTC
Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:
Actually it's pretty much precisely what i would have expected (technically it's the easiest since you simply copy a field in your DB to 4 new fields) before Calapine wrote it was acknowledged to not happen. Some acknowledgement that must have been :).

In her defense, CCP had previously stated that only whole number levels would be split to the racials. Glad to see they reconsidered and took the Route of Most Sense, though.
Logic Luke
Perkone
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-02-12 20:05:59 UTC
Cant wait for 6,4 million Skillpoints
Alexander Sinclair
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-02-13 01:01:43 UTC
Logic Luke wrote:
Cant wait for 6,4 million Skillpoints


Its about 6.2 Million Skillpoints.
stoicfaux
#78 - 2013-02-13 02:15:52 UTC
Calapine wrote:
Quick question:


  1. Let's say I have a Per/Will specced alt.
  2. I train BC V up to 99% finished, taking advantage of the perfectly matching attributes.
  3. When the patch goes life the invested SP will be refunded and I'll be able to spend them on something else.
  4. For example Char/Wil leadership skills that aren't worth respeccing for.
  5. ???
  6. PROFIT!


Is that an accurate summary?

I don't think that you will get the 4x multiplier though. Just a straight refund of the BC skill assuming you haven't trained any cruiser skill to III.


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Marion Youngone
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2013-02-13 06:43:38 UTC
Please don't pod me but when is the change supposed to happen?

Already have all racial cruisers to 3 and just started the battlecruiser skill today with a total train time of 25 days to level 5.
Novah Soul
#80 - 2013-02-13 07:12:37 UTC
Marion Youngone wrote:
Please don't pod me but when is the change supposed to happen?

Already have all racial cruisers to 3 and just started the battlecruiser skill today with a total train time of 25 days to level 5.

Ya still have time. The change wont take effect until the summer expansion which will hit late spring/early summer.

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