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Liam Inkuras
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#1 - 2013-02-12 21:23:30 UTC
Hey all,

I've recently moved to nullsec, and have realized the importance of interdicors, and that they are a ship class I would like to specialize in (I finally picked something!). Before I dive in, which race is preferred for their interdictors and HICs? I'm aware that the Saber is widely believed to be the best, with the Flycatcher a close second. I will actually be able to fly all of them when the summer expansion hits (maybe a bit before then), but I would really like to pick one race to settle in with. So back to my original question, which races interdictors and HICs are generally preferred?

Thanks, Liam

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Secret Squirrell
Allied Press Intergalactic
#2 - 2013-02-12 21:42:18 UTC
They have different strengths

Sabres are the best solo/small gang dictors due to their high damage output, good speed while still fitting a mwd, point and as good a tank as you get on a dictor. Consequently, they carry a decent sized price premium, and aren't really any better then the other dictors in larger fleet roles, where the dictor's damage is inconsequential, and your loosing it to fit 2 bubbles + cloak anyway. Dictors die alot even when piloted well, so the additional price is an important consideration. I'm not an expert on the Eris or Heretic in small gang fits, but the Flycatcher is terrible for solo/dps.
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-02-12 23:04:00 UTC
For HICs I hear the Broadsword has an epic tank. Dunno how it compares to the rest.
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#4 - 2013-02-12 23:22:45 UTC
Interdictor: who cares. You're fitting a bubble, cloak, and MWD. Drop the bubble, update your clone, and try to get your next interdictor back to the fight before it ends. If by some miracle you survive dropping your bubble you immediately warp out and keep yourself alive for the next bubble, you NEVER screw around trying to fight. Therefore it doesn't matter at all what interdictor you use, they're all identical.

HIC: depends on your fleet composition. You need to match shield/armor tank so you can receive remote repair as efficiently as possible. Ask your corp which one they want.
ACE McFACE
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-02-13 01:44:21 UTC
I think the Broadsword is the best for shield and the Amarr one (I forget the name) is best for armour.

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Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2013-02-13 01:47:22 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Interdictor: who cares. You're fitting a bubble, cloak, and MWD. Drop the bubble, update your clone, and try to get your next interdictor back to the fight before it ends. If by some miracle you survive dropping your bubble you immediately warp out and keep yourself alive for the next bubble, you NEVER screw around trying to fight. Therefore it doesn't matter at all what interdictor you use, they're all identical.

HIC: depends on your fleet composition. You need to match shield/armor tank so you can receive remote repair as efficiently as possible. Ask your corp which one they want.


Just to add, you can't receive said remote repair if your bubble is up.
Matuk Grymwal
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#7 - 2013-02-13 02:19:17 UTC
For armor the Devoter is a little better than the Phobos in terms of EHP, but really all the HICs are fine - you won't go wrong with any choice. If you're starting from scratch and want to stick with the one race, I'd go Sabre/Broadsword.
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#8 - 2013-02-13 02:41:16 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
Just to add, you can't receive said remote repair if your bubble is up.


Right, but you'll have 2+ HICs and cycle who has the bubble active while repairing the inactive ship.
Liam Inkuras
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#9 - 2013-02-13 04:56:50 UTC
Thanks for all the replies guys! This has really helped. Hearing from you guys saying they are all the same (more or less) I think I will go with Amarr purely for looks and I love armour. I also have a bit more skilling in Amarr ships so it would be the easiest path. If shields are required, however, I can always switch to Minmatar or Caldari. Thanks again guys Big smile

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Nikea Tiber
Backwater Enterprises RD
#10 - 2013-02-13 07:51:50 UTC
It has been said before, but I'll add it again:
'dictor = t2 space coffin
The saber is the only one of the four that is good at popping frigates, but even then you shouldn't be sticking around to get your ass handed to you. Do not attempt to fit tanking or damage mods; savvy manual piloting and raw speed are the only things that will save you. If you get popped in your bubble, you will get podded in your bubble. You are not an interdictor pilot until you are a guilty party on your own pod's lossmail. If you get the urge to fly these deathtraps, do so before your clones are expensive.

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Liam Inkuras
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#11 - 2013-02-13 13:05:34 UTC
Less than 15mill SP, so I think I'll be ok on that front!

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-02-13 14:14:08 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Less than 15mill SP, so I think I'll be ok on that front!


You should be ok up to 54M Sp your pod cost is about 7M, but dictors are not called space coffins for nothing so expect to die often and often right at the beginning of the fight, after this 54M Sp up to 71M Sp with current pod prices and without implants add 13M above your ship+fit cost

13M is the price you pay for a good full fit T1 inty, keep this in mind knowing you are going to die really really a lot when flying those.

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Valea Silpha
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-02-14 15:01:29 UTC
All of the dictors and hictors are equally good really, which is to say they are all just bubbles, and anything beyond that is kinda... not irrelevant, but radically less important. That said, one fringe useage for HICs as crazy awesome tackle in low sec, the Phobos is the best at that by miles because it has the most free mid slots for SeBos.

Funny thing with dictors and heavy dictors is that you don't really need to specialise in them the same way as with other ships. Being good at using them is radically more dependent on pilot skill than on the skillpoints invested in them. There really is so little gained from training the ship skills to lvl 5 that I couldn't in good conscience advise a younger player to put the time into them.

I'm not saying taking them to 5 is useless, I have both, but they don't give you good value for money. Since you're a new guy to dictor flying, I'd say just take the ship skills to 4, learn how to fly them, get a feel for how often you are actually being called on to fly dictors and then a few months later make the decision if you want to take the skills to 5. I think you'll end up being a happier guy having HICs and Dics to 4, and HAC or Recon 5, than with HICs and dics 5 and HAC or Recon 4. Even if you fly dictors all the time and love it, there are so many standard pvp ships where you NEED to have those 5s, while for dictors its just not a requirement. It's preferable of course (moar skillz = better) but not needed.
Liam Inkuras
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#14 - 2013-02-14 21:04:51 UTC
Valea Silpha wrote:
All of the dictors and hictors are equally good really, which is to say they are all just bubbles, and anything beyond that is kinda... not irrelevant, but radically less important. That said, one fringe useage for HICs as crazy awesome tackle in low sec, the Phobos is the best at that by miles because it has the most free mid slots for SeBos.

Funny thing with dictors and heavy dictors is that you don't really need to specialise in them the same way as with other ships. Being good at using them is radically more dependent on pilot skill than on the skillpoints invested in them. There really is so little gained from training the ship skills to lvl 5 that I couldn't in good conscience advise a younger player to put the time into them.

I'm not saying taking them to 5 is useless, I have both, but they don't give you good value for money. Since you're a new guy to dictor flying, I'd say just take the ship skills to 4, learn how to fly them, get a feel for how often you are actually being called on to fly dictors and then a few months later make the decision if you want to take the skills to 5. I think you'll end up being a happier guy having HICs and Dics to 4, and HAC or Recon 5, than with HICs and dics 5 and HAC or Recon 4. Even if you fly dictors all the time and love it, there are so many standard pvp ships where you NEED to have those 5s, while for dictors its just not a requirement. It's preferable of course (moar skillz = better) but not needed.

What you say makes sense, and actually sounds perfect to me because I was planning on training into Recons (Pilgrim) after I got into Dictors, then move into HICs. So HIC V and DIC V are nowhere near as useful as Recon V or HAC V (I have no real interest in HACs). Well I think I'll do as you suggest, and get to know Interdictors before I invest a large amount of time into them (i.e I'll take it to IV and play around with it before going all in). I understand taking Recons to V is very important, as I can tell from the Pilgrim and Curse bonuses. Well thanks for the reply and I will keep your advice close in mind.

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Hamatitio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-02-15 03:12:33 UTC
Welcome to the wonderful world of flying interdictors!

May I first suggest that your corporation / alliance fund these ships for you, they get to be pretty pricey when you lose 2 or 3 a day. I was lucky enough to have PL funding my dictors when I lost them back in the day.

Also, keep your clone updated, always be moving at a high rate of speed when you bubble up (if you can help it that is).

And I wouldn't keep anything more pricey than +3s in your head :P