EVE General Discussion

Now this would be the very best choice for CCP, leave players and market decide with same BPC seeding than it's already done with ASB/RAH BPC's (make those drop only in null)

I like how when older players brougth this up 4-5 years ago every goon and his mother was against this. Now when The Mittani suggest it it's the greatest idea ever. lol?

a 10 year old character may not be any better at flying T1 frigs than a 1 year old, however he has an order of magnitude in clone liability cost over the younger player.

people already think 'bigger is better' because of the missions pointing out how much easier it is kiting waves of NPCs in a cruiser, don't think we really need that reinforced on the PvP side as well.

You could, this would be one of the drawbacks: you should have to transport it (cargo) or move it (as currently), as per SD up to you to decide it like now.

Not a massive change for overall game, but a huge change for higher SP players now able to have fun flying a cheapo throw away T1 frig for fun since it doesn't use any more SP to fly it than a lower SP character.

What like you have to physically fly the clone out to a station to install it? No more pick a starter station pod expressing around. That is a great idea.

And maybe make it so that players have to travel to one of a few spots in Eve to finalize a clone and once finalized that clone can be looted and SP's stolen from it. Make them riskier than PLEX to move around.

Or maybe make it so that the clone can only be created to cover existing SP's. Anything trained after that will be lost if someone gets podded. So now players have to plan training and combat more accurately. This would have the side effect of encouraging more alt accounts.

Use an alt if you want cheap throw away combat. Or jump clone to empire space to fight. You are asking for a huge increase in the versatility and power of your character and offering nothing to mitigate that effect or to replace the sink.

It isn't, Eve needs more reasons for non combat characters to go to nullsec, more industry and opportunities for advanced research perhaps.

Your situation also brings up the issue of pilot skills for non combat characters, they shouldn't need them. I wish we could contract characters to be moved so that a station bound character didn't have to fly itself, although there should be substantial benefits to being able to do so.

I still think that industry slots should be moved to PI, then industrialists would have to fly or contract stuff back and forth to their PI locations. This would create benefit for all in one characters but not necessitate them.

Anyway, you did it right as far as how to build your account with different characters for different activities. And you nailed the real problem here; it is not clone prices, its with the limitations on non-combat characters and the need to train them to be pilots even though that's not their purpose.

No it is clone prices. Otherwise I would happily lump all my SP on one character and have augmented jump clones for different activities, with the implants I choose to insert being the risk I take for the rewards I perceive and no different to fitting my ship.

I'm not against alts I just don't think you should have to play with all three characters to avoid bad game design features.

"You guys"? Did we all sit around and brainstorm this response or something?


Considering the way that clone costs are calculated, I'm making an assumption that CCP has a particular line of reasoning.
As if they:

Assume that as an older player you'll have access to easier ISK generation, and therefore need higher sinks.

Assumed that we would self regulate, by not training a single character to excessive SP levels to keep clone replacement affordable.

And then there's the really geeky ****, like:
Lore.

Clones are fine the way they are, what it eventually ends up costing you isn't.
How clones are distributed doesn't really have anything to do with how much you can potentially lose when you replace a clone. It would be easier for CCP to control the cost of clones on their own; not have it governed by the market, which is run by the players.

Clones are supposed to be a penalty for getting podded, not discourage PvP. The curve is broken.

You're hardly an original thinker when it comes to this topic.

Now Goons are the ones with the expensive clones....