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Bot Mining... Macro Minning... Which is legal, if any?
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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-02-12 07:06:19 UTC
Since no players can decisively say whether Bot Mining or Macro Mining is legal... Wasn't botting dealt with a few months back?

I leave it to a CCP Dev to answer once and for all.

IMO both would be a 100% cheat. I can live with multi-boxing should someone have the will and determination, but I am interested in hearing it from a credible source, not 100 pilots with 100 different rumors.
Kate stark
#2 - 2013-02-12 07:19:50 UTC
botting and macros are two totally different things, don't confuse them.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
bufnitza calatoare
#3 - 2013-02-12 07:22:27 UTC
any action in game that uses a 3rd party application to mimic player actions while not at the keyboard is illegal and will get you banned.
Lovely Dumplings
My Little Pony Appreciation Corporation
#4 - 2013-02-12 07:23:58 UTC
Here's your CCP official answer at http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp Section 6-A-3

You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-02-12 07:27:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Desimus Maximus
Kate stark wrote:
botting and macros are two totally different things, don't confuse them.


Did I give the impression I thought they were the same? Seems to me I clearly stated 2 different things.. Bot Mining and Macro Mining.
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-02-12 07:33:46 UTC
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
Here's your CCP official answer at http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp Section 6-A-3

You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.



Very well. I appreciate the knowledge.
Kate stark
#7 - 2013-02-12 07:40:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Kate stark
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
botting and macros are two totally different things, don't confuse them.


Did I give the impression I thought they were the same? Seems to me I clearly stated 2 different things.. Bot Mining and Macro Mining.


you did.
Desimus Maximus wrote:
IMO both would be a 100% cheat.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-02-12 08:16:21 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
botting and macros are two totally different things, don't confuse them.


Did I give the impression I thought they were the same? Seems to me I clearly stated 2 different things.. Bot Mining and Macro Mining.


you did.
Desimus Maximus wrote:
IMO both would be a 100% cheat.



By both, it means, each of the separate items, Bot Mining and Macro Mining. You're either a great troll or a complete idiot.
Violet Giraffe
Space Giraffes
#9 - 2013-02-12 08:50:26 UTC
Lovely Dumplings wrote:

You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of ... at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play.

So it is fine to use stored keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of aforementioned resources at the same or slower rate as the ordinary gameplay?
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#10 - 2013-02-12 08:55:03 UTC
Violet Giraffe wrote:
Lovely Dumplings wrote:

You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of ... at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play.

So it is fine to use stored keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of aforementioned resources at the same or slower rate as the ordinary gameplay?


you blind or just stupid ?

You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes
Violet Giraffe
Space Giraffes
#11 - 2013-02-12 08:57:53 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:

you blind or just stupid ?

I ought to ask the same of you. The quoted EULA excerpt would have been clear if it wasn't for
Quote:
at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play
qualification.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#12 - 2013-02-12 09:05:03 UTC
Violet Giraffe wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:

you blind or just stupid ?

I ought to ask the same of you. The quoted EULA excerpt would have been clear if it wasn't for
Quote:
at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play
qualification.


if you are using a stored keystroke it is going to be faster then normal game play, why use them in the first place if they don't give you an advantage.
Whitehound
#13 - 2013-02-12 09:07:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Both are not allowed.

The only macros that are allowed are short keyboard sequences and that do not automate your game play, like a macro for a gaming mouse where special buttons can be bound to keyboard presses (i.e. pressing F1+F2+F3+F4 at once).

Anything that lets you do stuff in the game without being at your keyboard, and thereby automating your game, is a violation.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-02-12 09:11:55 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Since no players can decisively say whether Bot Mining or Macro Mining is legal

who on earth have you been asking!?
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#15 - 2013-02-12 09:12:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Mai Khumm
What is legal and what isn't depends on who you ask, and what alliance that person is in...

-Edit-

If Macro...anything is "illegal" then wouldn't any keyboard with programmable macros be "illegal" to use?
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-02-12 12:08:25 UTC
"Legal" and "against the EULA" are two very different things.

No one's going to "do time" for running a bot in an mmo
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-02-12 12:10:27 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
"Legal" and "against the EULA" are two very different things.

No one's going to "do time" for running a bot in an mmo


For the purposes of the game, anything that is against the rules is defined as illegal as those rules are the law of the game which we agree to abide by.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#18 - 2013-02-12 12:12:14 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Since no players can decisively say whether Bot Mining or Macro Mining is legal...
…aside from anyone who's read the EULA. All the players who have done that (and quite a few more) can decisively say that neither is allowed.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-02-12 12:18:11 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Since no players can decisively say whether Bot Mining or Macro Mining is legal... Wasn't botting dealt with a few months back?

I leave it to a CCP Dev to answer once and for all.

IMO both would be a 100% cheat. I can live with multi-boxing should someone have the will and determination, but I am interested in hearing it from a credible source, not 100 pilots with 100 different rumors.



If you really want to try out some 3rd party program, Macro or whatever and are not sure about it, petition and wait your answer before using it.
The worst thing to do is to come on forums ask about it because you'll get a shower of misunderstanding, ignorance and trolling.

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Pap Uhotih
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-02-12 12:58:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Pap Uhotih
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
Here's your CCP official answer at http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp Section 6-A-3

You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.



It is strange that it doesnt seem to specifically exclude an artificial intelligence from playing the game. Elsewhere it is clear that an AI could not register its own account but then there is no clear problem in sharing an account with an AI.


Id guess that the fuzzy issue with input is that not everyone that uses a computer is able to use a keyboard and mouse, there would be a need to allow for accessibility products which would/may be entirely dependant on macros etc.. That is likely why it is so hinged on the rate of play rather than any specific style of automation.
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