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Possibility of Race-Based starting stats?

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Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#1 - 2013-02-12 01:16:40 UTC
I've played a fair amount of MMOs, and I find it a bit odd that E.v.e. Online's Space-Races all have identical starting attributes and skills (besides the very minor frigate skills). I think it'd be interesting if, say, Amarr had superior Intelligence but low Charisma; Achura had superior Memory but poor Perception; and Brutor players had high baseline Willpower and Perception but low Intelligence, etc. It would certainly make Space-Character creation a bit more involved than a game of "which face do I like better". Any thoughts on this?
loco coco
#2 - 2013-02-12 01:21:12 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
I've played a fair amount of MMOs, and I find it a bit odd that E.v.e. Online's Space-Races all have identical starting attributes and skills (besides the very minor frigate skills). I think it'd be interesting if, say, Amarr had superior Intelligence but low Charisma; Achura had superior Memory but poor Perception; and Brutor players had high baseline Willpower and Perception but low Intelligence, etc. It would certainly make Space-Character creation a bit more involved than a game of "which face do I like better". Any thoughts on this?


You must be new here. This is kinda how it used to be. They changed it to easy mode.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2013-02-12 01:21:15 UTC
This was the case awhile ago. Everyone rolled Achura characters because their base stats fit some of the most useful/most used skills in the game (people seem to like min/maxing).

Now we have remaps.

How did you Veterans start?
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-02-12 01:22:01 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
I've played a fair amount of MMOs, and I find it a bit odd that E.v.e. Online's Space-Races all have identical starting attributes and skills (besides the very minor frigate skills). I think it'd be interesting if, say, Amarr had superior Intelligence but low Charisma; Achura had superior Memory but poor Perception; and Brutor players had high baseline Willpower and Perception but low Intelligence, etc. It would certainly make Space-Character creation a bit more involved than a game of "which face do I like better". Any thoughts on this?

Long before my time as a eve player, this was true. different races had different "bonuses".

what happened was everyone started playing achura characters, and anyone else was considered gimped adn should reroll or give up.

having permanent stat advvantages would forever pigeonhole a specific race into training a specific direction, because training in the oent heya re weaker with may be longer training per skill in a tree with WAY more skills.

it woudlnt eb rpetty.

(sorry for bad spelling, on a mobile)
Wodensun
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-02-12 01:40:50 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
This was the case awhile ago. Everyone rolled Achura characters because their base stats fit some of the most useful/most used skills in the game (people seem to like min/maxing).

Now we have remaps.


This ^

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Renzo Ruderi
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-02-12 01:58:37 UTC
Posting in a Tom Hurt Troll Thread.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#7 - 2013-02-12 02:04:37 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
I rather like that they all start the same. Eve isn't like WoW where your race and class determines how you play the game. Making people who don't understand how the game works choose a race and having that affect their gameplay while they're still figuring out how it all works is an unnecessary barrier for entry.

edit: also, what Renzo said. Tom never surrenders.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#8 - 2013-02-12 02:08:52 UTC
My apologies, I didn't know that E.v.e. races used to mimic real-world characteristics. I hardly think being unaware of that constitutes "trolling", however.
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-02-12 02:43:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Joran Dravius
Thomas Hurt wrote:
I've played a fair amount of MMOs, and I find it a bit odd that E.v.e. Online's Space-Races all have identical starting attributes and skills (besides the very minor frigate skills). I think it'd be interesting if, say, Amarr had superior Intelligence but low Charisma; Achura had superior Memory but poor Perception; and Brutor players had high baseline Willpower and Perception but low Intelligence, etc. It would certainly make Space-Character creation a bit more involved than a game of "which face do I like better". Any thoughts on this?

Already been done. It lead to everyone being achura.
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#10 - 2013-02-12 02:55:53 UTC
What is this "E.V.E." and "EvE" junk floating around lately?

Seriously. Stop disrespecting the game.

Thank you.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#11 - 2013-02-12 03:00:40 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
I've played a fair amount of MMOs, and I find it a bit odd that E.v.e. Online's Space-Races all have identical starting attributes and skills (besides the very minor frigate skills). I think it'd be interesting if, say, Amarr had superior Intelligence but low Charisma; Achura had superior Memory but poor Perception; and Brutor players had high baseline Willpower and Perception but low Intelligence, etc. It would certainly make Space-Character creation a bit more involved than a game of "which face do I like better". Any thoughts on this?


This is it folks. If Goons will take Nickyyo in, then anybody can get in.
Merouk Baas
#12 - 2013-02-12 03:00:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Merouk Baas
Thomas Hurt wrote:
My apologies, I didn't know that E.v.e. races used to mimic real-world characteristics.


They didn't mimic RL characteristics OR "races" in other MMO's.

In other games, Strength, or Intelligence, or Willpower, the stats do more than just letting you train skills faster. You can arguably justify "strong" warriors and "smart" mages. It kinda makes sense.

In this game, the only things the stats do is determine how fast you train certain skills. They have no meaning beyond that, and it was rather pointless to have Achura be chosen for all the damn characters because they had higher attributes. People min/maxed on 2 points.

In addition, it's a sandbox game. How intelligent your character is, is determined solely by how you act in the game. Memory by your notepad and cut/paste capabilities. Perception by how well your UI is arranged on screen, how big your screen is, and the latency you have to the server. And willpower by the size of your wallet and how replaceable your ship is.

The attributes of two characters of equal skill levels do not have any effect on anything. The computer hardware and attributes of the players behind the characters do, but can't be coded into the game.

If you want to roleplay a dumb, forgetful, but perceptive and full of zeal combat *******, by all means put your points in Per/Wil and have at it. All your enemies will be very happy that you stay in character, forget enemy lists and names, are an idiot in a fight, and swear up the local channels to the point of being banned.
Orlacc
#13 - 2013-02-12 03:03:22 UTC
0/10

I am telling you the material needs work!

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
stoicfaux
#14 - 2013-02-12 03:46:13 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
I've played a fair amount of MMOs, and I find it a bit odd that E.v.e. Online's Space-Races all have identical starting attributes and skills (besides the very minor frigate skills). I think it'd be interesting if, say, Amarr had superior Intelligence but low Charisma; Achura had superior Memory but poor Perception; and Brutor players had high baseline Willpower and Perception but low Intelligence, etc. It would certainly make Space-Character creation a bit more involved than a game of "which face do I like better". Any thoughts on this?


Reported for implied racism. And reported for only playing Eve after it was dumbed down.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#15 - 2013-02-12 03:48:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Hurt
stoicfaux wrote:
Thomas Hurt wrote:
I've played a fair amount of MMOs, and I find it a bit odd that E.v.e. Online's Space-Races all have identical starting attributes and skills (besides the very minor frigate skills). I think it'd be interesting if, say, Amarr had superior Intelligence but low Charisma; Achura had superior Memory but poor Perception; and Brutor players had high baseline Willpower and Perception but low Intelligence, etc. It would certainly make Space-Character creation a bit more involved than a game of "which face do I like better". Any thoughts on this?


Reported for implied racism. And reported for only playing Eve after it was dumbed down.



Umm... what? I was told this used to actually *be* in E.v.e. as a feature, but somehow I'm racist? Anyways, mods feel free to close this; I can't see this coming back as a feature, sounds like there was a good reason that it was taken out.
Minimal Charisma
Padded Sell
#16 - 2013-02-12 03:52:50 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
This was the case awhile ago. Everyone rolled Achura characters because their base stats fit some of the most useful/most used skills in the game (people seem to like min/maxing).

Now we have remaps.


<-- Example.
Tesal
#17 - 2013-02-12 03:53:53 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Thomas Hurt wrote:
I've played a fair amount of MMOs, and I find it a bit odd that E.v.e. Online's Space-Races all have identical starting attributes and skills (besides the very minor frigate skills). I think it'd be interesting if, say, Amarr had superior Intelligence but low Charisma; Achura had superior Memory but poor Perception; and Brutor players had high baseline Willpower and Perception but low Intelligence, etc. It would certainly make Space-Character creation a bit more involved than a game of "which face do I like better". Any thoughts on this?


Reported for implied racism. And reported for only playing Eve after it was dumbed down.



Umm... what? I was told this used to actually *be* in E.v.e. as a feature, but somehow I'm racist? Anyways, mods feel free to close this; I can't see this coming back as a feature, sounds like there was a good reason that it was taken out.


Now that you are back in Goons, you need to raise the posting bar a bit higher. The usual trash isn't good enough.
stoicfaux
#18 - 2013-02-12 04:08:41 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Thomas Hurt wrote:
I've played a fair amount of MMOs, and I find it a bit odd that E.v.e. Online's Space-Races all have identical starting attributes and skills (besides the very minor frigate skills). I think it'd be interesting if, say, Amarr had superior Intelligence but low Charisma; Achura had superior Memory but poor Perception; and Brutor players had high baseline Willpower and Perception but low Intelligence, etc. It would certainly make Space-Character creation a bit more involved than a game of "which face do I like better". Any thoughts on this?


Reported for implied racism. And reported for only playing Eve after it was dumbed down.



Umm... what? I was told this used to actually *be* in E.v.e. as a feature, but somehow I'm racist? Anyways, mods feel free to close this; I can't see this coming back as a feature, sounds like there was a good reason that it was taken out.

* "Amarr had superior Intelligence but low Charisma" - Whites are superior and that superiority complex makes them obnoxious.

* "Achura had superior Memory but poor Perception" - Asians are smart but have to wear glasses.

* "Brutor players had high baseline Willpower and Perception but low Intelligence" ... Really? Do we really need another Mr. Morton?


Also: http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Attributes#Starting_attribute_breakdown Ah, the memories...

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#19 - 2013-02-12 04:21:45 UTC
I'm trying to resist getting dragged too far into your race-baiting, but I believe Amarr are actually meant to be Jewish stand-ins (if one could even match real-world ethno-cultural and EVE groups on a 1:1 basis).
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-02-12 04:24:03 UTC
They should allow bigger ranges for remaps so ppl can get the min/max that they want. Min/max is what remap is about anyway.
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