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EvEmon - Plans - Remaps after Skill Tree Changes - SP Reimbursements
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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-02-11 16:14:17 UTC
If someone has already posted about this, I'm sorry.

After reviewing EvEmon plans with the devblog opened up for reference, I see that my training plans will need to be reworked. Big time. The canges are rather extreme.

Worse than that, planning in the context of my remap timer is out the window. With the new skill trees, there is no I way I can match the careful planning I now have to take full advantage of remap timers and train at the most efficient rate. These changes knocked out any training/remap synergy for about 6 months or more (in my case).

There are many people asking for various SP reimbursements, which I can't say I would normally agree with. But the circumstances are fairly extreme and CCP could actually do what other game manufacturers do in such situations : reimburse the ENTIRE affected skill trees.

There is a precedent for this as well : mass test bonus points on SiSI. After a mirror, you log on, and spend your bonus skill points however you want. THEN set up the train queue to work on whatever remains out of sync with your goals/needs.

This would solve a lot of concerns, although I'm 110% positive it would be controversial, i.e., flame war territory. CCP should consider this. If they want to be really really nice, they will throw in a free remap to help iron out wrinkles that their mandated changes have caused. But I won't actually ask for that...
Temmu Guerra
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-02-11 16:22:54 UTC
all i got to say is the following,

HTFU
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-02-11 16:23:01 UTC
Urgg Boolean wrote:
If someone has already posted about this, I'm sorry.

After reviewing EvEmon plans with the devblog opened up for reference, I see that my training plans will need to be reworked. Big time. The canges are rather extreme.

Worse than that, planning in the context of my remap timer is out the window. With the new skill trees, there is no I way I can match the careful planning I now have to take full advantage of remap timers and train at the most efficient rate. These changes knocked out any training/remap synergy for about 6 months or more (in my case).

There are many people asking for various SP reimbursements, which I can't say I would normally agree with. But the circumstances are fairly extreme and CCP could actually do what other game manufacturers do in such situations : reimburse the ENTIRE affected skill trees.

There is a precedent for this as well : mass test bonus points on SiSI. After a mirror, you log on, and spend your bonus skill points however you want. THEN set up the train queue to work on whatever remains out of sync with your goals/needs.

This would solve a lot of concerns, although I'm 110% positive it would be controversial, i.e., flame war territory. CCP should consider this. If they want to be really really nice, they will throw in a free remap to help iron out wrinkles that their mandated changes have caused. But I won't actually ask for that...


CCP have been pretty explicit in the last half dozen threads about this - they will only reimburse the skills that are actually being removed from the game (Destroyers and Battlecruisers) and only under very specific circumstances that preclude the affected players from getting at least ONE of the racial skills.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-02-11 16:25:53 UTC
So CCP simplifies the skill cue and that makes it more complicated?

How could it throw you off 6 months? If you get BC5 and dest5 NOW it wont be any different?

As for the capital stuff... you'll need all those skills anyway? what does it matter what order its in...

No Worries
pasty mckilljoy
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-02-11 17:50:39 UTC
Posting in a cloaky Aspie/OOC thread.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2013-02-11 18:27:57 UTC
No remaps! I think all those who ask for remaps because of this need to be docked a remap so theyre amount of current remaps avail says -1.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Propelled
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-02-11 18:48:18 UTC
I don't see what the big deal is. Just queue up the skills that are getting changed and remap that much later.

If min/maxing you your training really is such a big deal to you, you should really read the forums and dev blogs more often, considering the skill changes has been mentioned as early March 2012 and again and again later, at the fan fest, later dev blogs and numerous post on the forums. As such the only one to blame here is yourself and those like you who, in spite of the available information, failed to take the possible skill changes into account.