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Best PVE battleship in Amarr space?
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Olga Ivanovna
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-02-10 00:52:28 UTC
Paladin? Or do I need to take it that far? Could it be a faction BS? Please advise, and post some fitting.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-02-10 01:18:43 UTC
nightmare.

I should buy an Ishtar.
vyshnegradsky
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#3 - 2013-02-10 01:24:30 UTC
I've heard the search function is pretty good

This one's a bit over the edge guys.

Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.

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Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#4 - 2013-02-10 01:36:28 UTC
Tachyon Nightmare.
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#5 - 2013-02-10 02:00:02 UTC
With all the complaining about NPC TDs that's been going on lately, I'd try a sentry Rattlesnake, or maybe even the Golem or CNR. That is, if you're going to run all missions with the same boat. If it weren't for that, I'd be on the Nightmare bandwagon.

(Caveat: Haven't run missions in a year)

EDIT: All of these ships have fairly standard fittings. I suggest you search!
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-02-10 04:27:14 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
N. Geddon. Guns with 25% rof bonus (aka 33% dps bonus) plus bandwidth for a full flight of 5 sentries along with spare room for 5 mid/small drones. 1.3k dps. Cost around 70mil more than an Abaddon.

NM works too...Big smile
Sasha Khaine
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-02-11 10:22:29 UTC
I am currently flying an Abaddon for level 4's. I've tried the Apoc and Napoc as well but always find myself going back to the Abaddon despite its cap issues :)

Here is my fit.

Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II
Large Micro Jump Drive (can swap this for afterburner/mwd depending on mission)

Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

742.9 dps without drones, 51km optimal range with an optimal range script. As for the best ship, I'm about a week away from being able to fly the nightmare properly and will switch to it once the skills are good enough. Gotta use Tachys on the NM though.

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NoNah
Hyper-Nova
#8 - 2013-02-11 10:38:48 UTC
Mach, more dps, better mobility all in all simply better than the rest.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-02-11 12:58:25 UTC
NoNah wrote:
Mach, more dps, better mobility all in all simply better than the rest.


Accept for the Nightmare... for amarr space

No Worries
Hulasikaly Wada
DO.IT
I.N.D.E.P.E.N.D.E.N.T
#10 - 2013-02-11 13:16:41 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
NoNah wrote:
Mach, more dps, better mobility all in all simply better than the rest.


Accept for the Nightmare... for amarr space


Quoting

Hula
NoNah
Hyper-Nova
#11 - 2013-02-11 13:17:38 UTC
ChromeStriker wrote:
NoNah wrote:
Mach, more dps, better mobility all in all simply better than the rest.


Accept for the Nightmare... for amarr space


Wish that was the case. It's not.
bloodknight2
Revenu.Quebec
#12 - 2013-02-11 14:40:41 UTC
Faction fit nightmare with faction tach (less cap than T2).

Once you go nightmare, you never go back.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-02-11 14:52:48 UTC
NoNah wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
NoNah wrote:
Mach, more dps, better mobility all in all simply better than the rest.


Accept for the Nightmare... for amarr space


Wish that was the case. It's not.


It is... Compare like for like n the nightmare will out dps and out tank the mach.

No Worries
Tanith YarnDemon
Hypernet Inc.
Umbrella Chemical Inc
#14 - 2013-02-11 15:49:11 UTC
bloodknight2 wrote:
Faction fit nightmare with faction tach (less cap than T2).

Once you go nightmare, you never go back.


Funny, cause I'be been there and done just that. Sad truth is the nightmare is fairly bad nowadays. Yes, it excells at extreme ranges, however there are virtually no missions that require long ranges, the few that do end up requiring mobility rather than range.

For anything other than missions, albeit possibly going somewhat off topic, the nightmare again lacks. Plexes are somewhat out of the question as there are few it's very apt to do thanks to it's massive sig and relatively poor tank compared to other options(Such as sleip or loki, or even paladin). For belts mobility is once again key and range is suddenly virtually useless. For anomalies it's a bit closer, the nightmare can do really well, but again the paladin tends to come out on top, here due to tracking being less important than tank, and well, the free em harderner from armor tanking is to much to pass on.

I still have a nightmare or two lying around, there just isn't any use at all for it anymore. It's one of those myths.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#15 - 2013-02-11 16:25:03 UTC
Another voice for the Nightmare. In Amarr space the Nightmare is King, Queen and all of the Princes all in one ship. Anyone trying to tell you the Machariel is better in Amarr space doesn't understand falloff mechanics.

Faction Tachyons with IN Multifrequency crystals on a Nightmare do more DPS than a Machariel, and at longer ranges.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-02-11 17:12:38 UTC
Paikis wrote:
Another voice for the Nightmare. In Amarr space the Nightmare is King, Queen and all of the Princes all in one ship. Anyone trying to tell you the Machariel is better in Amarr space doesn't understand falloff mechanics.

Faction Tachyons with IN Multifrequency crystals on a Nightmare do more DPS than a Machariel, and at longer ranges.

this. i can warp in @100 into blockade and start projecting ~800 effective dps as soon as i have locked the first target. the mach will only be better between 0 and ~25-30km and even then it's mostly because of better tracking.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Infamous ElGuapo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-02-11 21:12:23 UTC
Nightmare hands down.
Olga Ivanovna
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-02-12 20:36:02 UTC
Thanks for all the answers! I'll go try the nightmare!
ACE McFACE
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-02-13 01:37:52 UTC
NoNah wrote:
ChromeStriker wrote:
NoNah wrote:
Mach, more dps, better mobility all in all simply better than the rest.


Accept for the Nightmare... for amarr space


Wish that was the case. It's not.

It is

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#20 - 2013-02-13 13:23:59 UTC
Personally I prefer a Pulse Paladin. I tried a Tach Nightmare for a while, but just couldn't get on with it. Scorch offers the perfect range for tractor beams, and switching to a couple of optimal scripts puts that up to 65km or so optimal if needed. At the time salvaging/looting (while not increasing mission times) felt like it was worth it over the tracking bonus and extra damage mod the Nightmare offered so I ruled out a Pulse Nightmare too.

I ran this, with a spare low slot for damage mod/hardener/damage control depending on the mission.

[Paladin, Pulse]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II
[empty low slot]

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
100MN Afterburner II

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II

Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

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