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researching a BPO and copying how?
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tonycliff46 hagen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-02-10 10:13:34 UTC
Ok i have only learned how to build off a blueprint. 2 questions

1st How do you start a research job? this lowers the material cost right? err researching that is.
2nd after your done researching How do you start copying it?
A video link that teaches all this would be nice.
Sairi Katelin
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-02-10 13:25:15 UTC
I haven't been fussing with this lately, so some industrialist is probably going to correct me on something of other, but let me see if I have the basics for the sake of getting a fast answer out.

Go to http://evemaps.dotlan.net and look at all the systems with blue triangles. Those have research stations in them. You can do your work at any of those. You can find them in science&industry in your region too. Start digging into tabs and settings and whatnot.

Now, the first issue is that you're going to want to drop a whole lot of research into the plans for each thing, and the queues are really freaking long. Like, a month, literally a month, which isn't too out of line given how long you are going to want to tie them up for. You probably want to sink a month of research into the thing anyways, because research is slow.

The lines are a bit shorter if you want to drag the plans into lowsec or NPC null, but eventually people end up doing this on their POS so they don't have to deal with the lines.

Your choices when you do that is that you can work on making the plans research faster, or on using less materials, or you can make copies of the plan. It's not too different from the process to build something.

There's a similar process to make T2 BPC. You put a plan in with a decryptor and datacores.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-02-10 13:35:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Elena Thiesant
There's 4 things that you can do to a blueprint that's part of the 'research' category.

ME research - material efficiency. Lowers the waste materials required to build off a blueprint. Can only be done to a blueprint original. Take BPO to a station that offers the research service, right click - material research

PL research - productivity level. Lowers the time required to build off a blueprint. Can only be done to a blueprint original. Take BPO to a station that offers the research service, right click - time efficiency research

Copying. Produces blueprint copies from a blueprint original. Can only be done to a blueprint original. Take BPO to a station that offers the research service, right click - copying

Invention - Converts a T1 BPC into a T2 BPC with a chance of failure. Can only be done to a blueprint copy. Take BPC, the appropriate data interface, the required data cores and optionally a decryptor to a station that offers the research service, right click - invention.

ME and Copying lines in highsec are permanently queued up. Find one with the lowest wait near you and just queue the blueprint up or head down into lowsec for shorter queues.

As for how long and how much ME research is needed on an blueprint, depends completely on the blueprint. I have some that need just a few hours of ME research, I have others that will need roughly 4 months of research.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-02-10 14:48:19 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
There's 4 things that you can do to a blueprint that's part of the 'research' category.

ME research - material efficiency. Lowers the waste materials required to build off a blueprint. Can only be done to a blueprint original. Take BPO to a station that offers the research service, right click - material research

PL research - productivity level. Lowers the time required to build off a blueprint. Can only be done to a blueprint original. Take BPO to a station that offers the research service, right click - time efficiency research

Copying. Produces blueprint copies from a blueprint original. Can only be done to a blueprint original. Take BPO to a station that offers the research service, right click - copying

Invention - Converts a T1 BPC into a T2 BPC with a chance of failure. Can only be done to a blueprint copy. Take BPC, the appropriate data interface, the required data cores and optionally a decryptor to a station that offers the research service, right click - invention.

ME and Copying lines in highsec are permanently queued up. Find one with the lowest wait near you and just queue the blueprint up or head down into lowsec for shorter queues.

As for how long and how much ME research is needed on an blueprint, depends completely on the blueprint. I have some that need just a few hours of ME research, I have others that will need roughly 4 months of research.


This.

But what you will find out is that almost ALL ME and Copy slots in high-sec are queued till about 1 month.

So your options are:

1.) Place your blueprint in the back of the queue and wait till all others are completed before yours starts.
2.) Search for a quiet system (likely low-sec) with no / shorter queues.
3.) Build your own research POS in high-sec (requires standings and some ISK to buy and maintain).

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#5 - 2013-02-10 15:37:25 UTC
Also: Only BPC (copies) can be used in Invention. BPOs cannot.

As above said, most hisec copy slots are backed up for months (artificially, I might add). You can usually find free slots in low-sec, however, and for 1/10th the price.

How to survive the trip? Use a shuttle. No, seriously, use a helpless, unarmed shuttle. It's measly 10m3 or whatever can hold all the blueprints you want. Bubbles can't be used in lowsec, so it's only active camps you need fear... and you don't, because a shuttle has a such a tiny signature & fast align time that there is no way anyone is actually going to be able to target/scramble you before you leave them sucking your ion trail (but be sure to have fast exit bookmarks from stations, as that is can be a weak point if you're not prepared).

(Note on "too fast to catch" - idiots will often claim that this isn't true and use the phrase "instalock." Yeah, ignore them - they're lying. "Instalock" isn't a real thing this side of hacking, which is a instant ban right there. Lag alone is enough to prove instalock to be a myth.)

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tonycliff46 hagen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-02-11 05:07:02 UTC
Oh allright then i just need to find a place to mine pyroexses that has the wee bit of noxi i need for hybrid antimatter S BPO. Since gallente space dont have pyroexses. Any suggestions where i might find pyroexses amaar space does right?
Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-02-11 06:18:35 UTC
As a rule it's cheaper to buy metal than mine and refine. As in, you would make better isk mining veldspar, then selling the veld and buying the other metal, than you would mining the ore for the other metal and refining.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-02-11 07:18:20 UTC
tonycliff46 hagen wrote:
Oh allright then i just need to find a place to mine pyroexses that has the wee bit of noxi i need for hybrid antimatter S BPO. Since gallente space dont have pyroexses. Any suggestions where i might find pyroexses amaar space does right?


Buy the Noxcium from the market. If you get serious in industry, you'll end up buying a lot of your minerals as it's very, very hard to mine enough to keep the manufacturing lines completely busy.

Though Veld's not the best example of mine what you have, sell and buy what you don't, it's way down the ISK/m3 list these days. Scordite on the other hand...
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-02-11 15:57:25 UTC
Research Level Info

It's an old site, so the data may not be totally accurate anymore
but it should give some general 'ball park' figures for you to work with.
Andres Talas
The Industrial Supremacy
The Rejected.
#10 - 2013-02-13 01:43:33 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Also: Only BPC (copies) can be used in Invention. BPOs cannot.

As above said, most hisec copy slots are backed up for months (artificially, I might add). You can usually find free slots in low-sec, however, and for 1/10th the price.

How to survive the trip? Use a shuttle. No, seriously, use a helpless, unarmed shuttle. It's measly 10m3 or whatever can hold all the blueprints you want. Bubbles can't be used in lowsec, so it's only active camps you need fear... and you don't, because a shuttle has a such a tiny signature & fast align time that there is no way anyone is actually going to be able to target/scramble you before you leave them sucking your ion trail (but be sure to have fast exit bookmarks from stations, as that is can be a weak point if you're not prepared).

(Note on "too fast to catch" - idiots will often claim that this isn't true and use the phrase "instalock." Yeah, ignore them - they're lying. "Instalock" isn't a real thing this side of hacking, which is a instant ban right there. Lag alone is enough to prove instalock to be a myth.)


Errr, "pipe bombing" is something to cover - the use of area affect weapons.

Avoid pipe bombs by going from gate -> planet -> gate, not gate to gate, because gate -> ambush -> gate is a possibility. By taking the detour to Planet X, you go in a triangle around the ambush site.