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Allowing two characters to train on one account via second payment

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Lucas Peterson
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-02-09 18:06:49 UTC
Say you don't want to have to maintain two accounts at all times to have two decently trained characters. Maybe you want to get a second character trained on one account to be able to do different things once in awhile. Maybe you want to have a character that can scan and do planetary stuff on your account, but don't want to take out two or three months from your main character to train another one.

Instead of training a character on each account to get this accomplished, simply pay another 15 dollars or use a PLEX so you can train two characters on one account at the same time.

Benefits:
-Maintain two trained characters at a time without having to pay for both characters indefinitely (paying for both accounts to use both characters)
-Don't take time away from your main while training your alt

Drawbacks:
-Can't use both characters at the same time
-Once you stop paying 15 per month to train a second character, you go back to only being able to train one at a time.


I figured this would be a good idea for people that want to have specialized alts for a few specific things without screwing up the training time on their main. It'd be much better than maintaining two accounts at once until the end of time, just so you can have a specialized character.
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#2 - 2013-02-09 18:19:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Lucas Peterson wrote:
Say you don't want to have to maintain two accounts at all times to have two decently trained characters. Maybe you want to get a second character trained on one account to be able to do different things once in awhile. Maybe you want to have a character that can scan and do planetary stuff on your account, but don't want to take out two or three months from your main character to train another one.

Instead of training a character on each account to get this accomplished, simply pay another 15 dollars or use a PLEX so you can train two characters on one account at the same time.

Benefits:
-Maintain two trained characters at a time without having to pay for both characters indefinitely (paying for both accounts to use both characters)
-Don't take time away from your main while training your alt

Drawbacks:
-Can't use both characters at the same time
-Once you stop paying 15 per month to train a second character, you go back to only being able to train one at a time.


I figured this would be a good idea for people that want to have specialized alts for a few specific things without screwing up the training time on their main. It'd be much better than maintaining two accounts at once until the end of time, just so you can have a specialized character.


There is no point in doing that unless there is a discount for 2nd/3rd character.
You can maintain 2 accounts with very same benefits but without drawbacks. As an additional benefit of having 2 accounts you can take advantage of many promotions such as power of 2 or sidekick.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#3 - 2013-02-09 18:28:01 UTC
The thing is, this idea is pointless from the start. No one in their right mind, would pay the same to get less.

As paying less is also a no no, how about you simply get a second account?

Sorted. Big smile

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Bum Shadow
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-02-09 18:35:33 UTC
I think a small discount would be fair.

So its £10 for a single acount. but to have 2 active slots it comes to a total of £18-£19 or for 3... 26-17 ish.

not a huge discount but something nice for those older players who've supported the game for so long.

Allows you to maybe sub 2 accounts but potentially have 6 active useful characters. Rather than remembering 6 seperate logins and passwords.
Mikhael Taron
Four Winds Industry
#5 - 2013-02-09 19:13:57 UTC
To be able to manage all toons with a single account would be handy. Not limited to three toons per account, just limited by how much the player is paying for that account. 1plex/mnth = 1 toon, 2 plex ... etc. This would mean the account would need to be able to fire up multiple instances of the eve client. If I'm paying for two live toons I want to be able to use them at the same time. Otherwise the other posters have nailed it.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#6 - 2013-02-09 19:40:53 UTC
Bum Shadow wrote:
I think a small discount would be fair.
Fair for who exactly? As I and many others would simply drop accounts to utilise this cheap method, I'm against it.

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VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#7 - 2013-02-09 19:43:36 UTC
So many other features needed in game.

Idea Perhaps, if CCP allowed us to at least switch character training on the same account without having to log off, but even this isn't as critical as other issues.

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Keeper O'Secrets
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-02-09 19:46:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Keeper O'Secrets
i would like the option to, for example, pay 1 plex [extra] to activate all 3 training ques for the month - that way ur not paying the same amount than what you would just to have an alt, and allows you to skill a few low skill chars without loosing training time on your main.

first however, we need the ability to switch chars without logging out completely [i believe it was removed due to problems that have since been fixed?], and the ability to remote manage our skills for chars on the same account (for things like training ur 2nd char up)...

+1 tho :)
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-02-09 20:05:01 UTC
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:
There is no point in doing that unless there is a discount for 2nd/3rd character.
You can maintain 2 accounts with very same benefits but without drawbacks. As an additional benefit of having 2 accounts you can take advantage of many promotions such as power of 2 or sidekick.


Sure there is.

There are times you may want an alt. Maybe for a specific purpose. And it may take say 6 months to train that alt. You can get a second account. Train that alt. When you are done do a character transfer back to your original account and let the alt account expire.

This will cost an additional 2 plex (or $25 i think).

Being able to activate a second slot on your account lets you do the same thing without paying for a character transfer.

That being said, the second account, transfer character method is already a functioning mechanic in EVE. Plus CCP gets extra $$$$ for the character transfers. So I am skeptical that they would want to put in the extra time to modify the system to let you just pay for additional slots instead.


Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#10 - 2013-02-09 20:21:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Weinstein
"I want an extreme change to the way characters have been handled successfully in this game over the last 9.5 years of going live."

"I also want it to be cheaper than the option of having two accounts. Even though I recognize I will be limited to not being able to log both my characters into the game at the same time."

"One of my defenses of this idea is that I will be creating an alt character to train and effectively leaving him in moth-balls for up to 6 months before I actually use it. Then I would like to pay a separate fee to transfer the trained character to a new account. Not taking into consideration that the cost of the new account plus transfer fees would most likely equal the savings I was trying to get with the double trained account in the first place. Actually, the combined cost may exceed what it would be to simply acquire a 2nd account and pay for it for 6 months time."

Yeah. I am finding it really hard to get behind this idea.

Thank you.
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#11 - 2013-02-09 20:32:02 UTC
Sol Weinstein wrote:
"I want an extreme change to the way characters have been handled successfully in this game over the last 9.5 years of going live."

"I also want it to be cheaper than the option of having two accounts. Even though I recognize I will be limited to not being able to log both my characters into the game at the same time."

"One of my defenses of this idea is that I will be creating an alt character to train and effectively leaving him in moth-balls for up to 6 months before I actually use it. Then I would like to pay a separate fee to transfer the trained character to a new account. Not taking into consideration that the cost of the new account plus transfer fees would most likely equal the savings I was trying to get with the double trained account in the first place. Actually, the combined cost may exceed what it would be to simply acquire a 2nd account and pay for it for 6 months time."

Yeah. I am finding it really hard to get behind this idea.

Thank you.


CCP openly admitted to "slapping" the game code together in order to get it released on a shoe string budget. I understand this, do you?

Now, CCP are profiting and doing well, perhaps it's time for some "extreme" changes. Not only will they improve you're game play, but also improve the quality of suggestions thereafter.

You're reasoning here is faulty, please troll elsewhere.

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#12 - 2013-02-09 21:31:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Weinstein
VegasMirage wrote:
Sol Weinstein wrote:
"I want an extreme change to the way characters have been handled successfully in this game over the last 9.5 years of going live."

"I also want it to be cheaper than the option of having two accounts. Even though I recognize I will be limited to not being able to log both my characters into the game at the same time."

"One of my defenses of this idea is that I will be creating an alt character to train and effectively leaving him in moth-balls for up to 6 months before I actually use it. Then I would like to pay a separate fee to transfer the trained character to a new account. Not taking into consideration that the cost of the new account plus transfer fees would most likely equal the savings I was trying to get with the double trained account in the first place. Actually, the combined cost may exceed what it would be to simply acquire a 2nd account and pay for it for 6 months time."

Yeah. I am finding it really hard to get behind this idea.

Thank you.


CCP openly admitted to "slapping" the game code together in order to get it released on a shoe string budget. I understand this, do you?

Now, CCP are profiting and doing well, perhaps it's time for some "extreme" changes. Not only will they improve you're game play, but also improve the quality of suggestions thereafter.

You're reasoning here is faulty, please troll elsewhere.


When the game was released for public consumption, they changed it so you could only train one character per account. Changed it from allowing multiple characters on the same account to train skills. Changed it from what you proposed based on a business decision and the potential profit of the game. I am not sure they would want to allow this based on the original changes intended to impact the profit of their creation. Gamecode aside, I don't feel their decisions based around the profit of the game was "slapped together".

I'm not trolling at all. Did you even read my response completely? Or just skim it and see that I was not agreeing with you and then formulate your own condescending remarks towards me?

I was asking you a legitimate question, not trolling. Why would you want to go through the trouble of doing this "6 month on one account then transfer to a 2nd account" mumbo-jumbo? And then not even be able to benefit from being able to fly in space together?

They have all these wonderful "Power of 2" promotions and such. They just had one where you could get 180 days of game time for $49.95. That is the cost of 90 days game time (at the $14.95 cost) plus a measly 5 bucks. So, basically 3 months for 5 bucks after the first initial 3 months.

Are you just against having two full accounts (for some unexplained reason)? Or do you want lower monthly costs all around?

I would ask you directly: What do YOU feel a better monthly cost would be for a 2nd account based on your needs to train 2 characters at the same time?

Thank you.

========

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. By using the current methods, and following the proper procedure of account activation, you can really take advantage of having two accounts by use of the Buddy Program and the "free" PLEX. Not only do you get 21 days of FREE GAME TIME, but you would also get a FREE PLEX. Which is 30 days of game time. Based on your 6 month plan, I feel that you are just being a bit greedy in this. With out using any special promotions at all besides the Buddy Program, you can effectively keep an account for 6 months and 21 days (with the FREE TRIAL ACCOUNT) for the cost of 6 months - 1 month if you use the FREE PLEX for the 2nd account. So, that is:

201 days of game time for the actual cost of 150 days.

And if you take advantage of the lower monthly cost of paying up front for the 6 months of game time (assuming you are using a credit card), you actually get 231 days of game time at an even more reduced cost. OR the already mentioned 201 days for the cost of 180 PLUS the FREE MONTH of game time on your original account OR whatever the current in-game rate of ISK would be if you choose to sell the PLEX for in-game currency.

Once again, what do YOU think is a better monthly cost for a 2nd account based on your needs to train 2 characters at the same time?

Thank you.

========

Yeah. This wall of text was just a "troll" of your idea. I put no thought into it what-so-ever. Move along.
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#13 - 2013-02-09 23:07:17 UTC
I've removed the off topic and needlessly personal argument that was mainly about grammar and spelling from this thread. It's the internet, misspellings happen. Deal with it.

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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#14 - 2013-02-10 20:01:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Weinstein
CCP Eterne wrote:
I've removed the off topic and needlessly personal argument that was mainly about grammar and spelling from this thread. It's the internet, misspellings happen. Deal with it.


I disagree.

Thank you.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-02-10 20:55:45 UTC
Sol Weinstein wrote:
CCP Eterne wrote:
I've removed the off topic and needlessly personal argument that was mainly about grammar and spelling from this thread. It's the internet, misspellings happen. Deal with it.


I disagree.

Thank you.


Then you should be in school teaching english to 5th graders.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB

Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#16 - 2013-02-11 06:42:27 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
Sol Weinstein wrote:
CCP Eterne wrote:
I've removed the off topic and needlessly personal argument that was mainly about grammar and spelling from this thread. It's the internet, misspellings happen. Deal with it.


I disagree.

Thank you.


Then you should be in school teaching english to 5th graders.


What if I told you I am an English teacher, and ironically I teach at the 4th and 5th grade level?

Thank you.
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#17 - 2013-02-11 07:13:44 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Sol Weinstein wrote:
Montevius Williams wrote:
Sol Weinstein wrote:
CCP Eterne wrote:
I've removed the off topic and needlessly personal argument that was mainly about grammar and spelling from this thread. It's the internet, misspellings happen. Deal with it.


I disagree.

Thank you.


Then you should be in school teaching english to 5th graders.


What if I told you I am an English teacher, and ironically I teach at the 4th and 5th grade level?

Thank you.


*snipped personal attack* - CCP Eterne

I think the entire multiple account system in Eve is archaic, burdensome and definitely unfinished. Any discussion to promote the possibilities of revamping it are welcomed imo.

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#18 - 2013-02-11 07:41:04 UTC
VegasMirage wrote:
Sol Weinstein wrote:
Montevius Williams wrote:
Sol Weinstein wrote:
CCP Eterne wrote:
I've removed the off topic and needlessly personal argument that was mainly about grammar and spelling from this thread. It's the internet, misspellings happen. Deal with it.


I disagree.

Thank you.


Then you should be in school teaching english to 5th graders.


What if I told you I am an English teacher, and ironically I teach at the 4th and 5th grade level?

Thank you.


Is that where you get you're smug smartest guy in the room attitude? From being in a 5th grade classroom.

I think the entire multiple account system in Eve is archaic, burdensome and definitely unfinished. Any discussion to promote the possibilities of revamping it are welcomed imo.


You are entitled to your opinion. I just thought I would also make an obvious statement.

But, once again. What do you propose as a solution? I don't see any suggestions to this. I see no math listing your suggested costs for this based off of the current costs of a 2nd account. I spent some time explaining the math of the costs for having a 2nd account over a 6 month period (because someone used that timeline in a different example). I feel that you should give precise examples for your suggestions.

As it stands now, with all the fun stuff I mentioned in my other [smug] threads, having the ability to train two characters at the same time would cost a person $14.95 x 5 = $74.75 over the course of 201 days (based on my example of using the Buddy Program and putting the PLEX towards one of the 30 day increments). Without using the Buddy Program, it would cost you $89.70 for 194 days of gametime. And this is the highest amount (based on normal subscription fees). A person can choose to pay upfront for 6 months time for a reduced cost.

Someone suggested using PLEX as the fuel for this service. Is that what you want? So, would that be 1 PLEX for 2 months (60 days)? That would be what? $19.95 x3 = $59.85 to train 2 characters on one account (or using in-game currency to trade for the PLEX). And even lower costs if you bought PLEX in bulk.

So, please. Knock that smug look from my face and put down some real information for your idea that you support so much.

Thank you.
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#19 - 2013-02-11 10:46:07 UTC
VegasMirage wrote:
Sol Weinstein wrote:
"I want an extreme change to the way characters have been handled successfully in this game over the last 9.5 years of going live."

"I also want it to be cheaper than the option of having two accounts. Even though I recognize I will be limited to not being able to log both my characters into the game at the same time."

"One of my defenses of this idea is that I will be creating an alt character to train and effectively leaving him in moth-balls for up to 6 months before I actually use it. Then I would like to pay a separate fee to transfer the trained character to a new account. Not taking into consideration that the cost of the new account plus transfer fees would most likely equal the savings I was trying to get with the double trained account in the first place. Actually, the combined cost may exceed what it would be to simply acquire a 2nd account and pay for it for 6 months time."

Yeah. I am finding it really hard to get behind this idea.

Thank you.


CCP openly admitted to "slapping" the game code together in order to get it released on a shoe string budget. I understand this, do you?

Now, CCP are profiting and doing well, perhaps it's time for some "extreme" changes. Not only will they improve you're game play, but also improve the quality of suggestions thereafter.

You're reasoning here is faulty, please troll elsewhere.



How do any of the ideas posted by the OP improve my gameplay?????

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-02-11 17:09:10 UTC
Sol Weinstein wrote:
Montevius Williams wrote:
Sol Weinstein wrote:
CCP Eterne wrote:
I've removed the off topic and needlessly personal argument that was mainly about grammar and spelling from this thread. It's the internet, misspellings happen. Deal with it.


I disagree.

Thank you.


Then you should be in school teaching english to 5th graders.


What if I told you I am an English teacher, and ironically I teach at the 4th and 5th grade level?

Thank you.


I'd say you were lying.

What if I told you I was President of the United States?

Anyone can say anything on an internet message board.

Thank you.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB

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