EVE General Discussion

Looking at some of the rage on the forums now about people wanting WiS to be completed before doing anything more with FiS, I have to wonder what the fallout is going to be if this continues. You are putting CCP in a no-win situation with the end result being potentially another round of layoffs and perhaps at worst the demise of the game you supposedly care for so much.

I joined EVE because of what it is, a spaceship game, does that mean that I don't want WiS? not one bit because I want it all (hey maybe I'm just greedy). I want to see CCP expand EVE to encompass many different playstyles both for FiS and WiS eventually, but right now they need to focus on FiS and bring it up to where it needs to be in terms of polish and features.

So please, give CCP some time to take a breath. Give them a chance to deliver on what they have told us before bashing them from pillar to post between FiS and WiS.

a balance approach is what should have been done in the past for WIS, with FIS

Since all the work (base work) been completed for WIS, CCP just needs support of the community before it continues at a lessened approach on WIS. They need this to have proof, to those who "HATE" the idea of WIS thinking that Eve is only a FIS game stating that no player wants WIS, that those WIS are wrong.

Long live WIS!!! I hope a team... maybe 2 Stay on WIS. Just so it can slowly expand.

even if it is 1 establishment per Station for now (summer expansion). The Expansion called: Cafes and Boutiques!

But dropping everything to switch one thing to another......
Face it FIS is a broad term. it is like saying Fix everything except Null sec.

WIS needs to be introduce, but not at expense of dropping FIS to fend for its self.

Expanding on what we already have I think is important for Eve. More tools for the areas of interest we already have. Not introducing new items.
I mean
-->Bring in The additional PI tools that were planned (Just a couple at a time)
-->Fix then add the sov mechanics that fell short of last implementation.
Not doing new flashy things add a new dimension
-->- Atmospheric combat.
--> Twich Base Fighter Pilot fighting.
--> T3 Frigates.

In my personal Opinion CCP should only have 1 New Flashy thing in winter expansion plus fixes and keep summer expansion for fleshing out the other elements of eve.

It was to be expected that a bowl of obvious trolls will start whining about WiS not getting finished. It's too good a bait to pass it up.

That people take it seriously makes me sad.

uh what game were you playing the last two years?

if it was balance - CQ for Minmitar should be coming out this winter. And 75% of the topics getting cover this winter for FIS should have come out last summer.

Last 2 years CCP has place too much focus on WIS which was taken from FIS.
this was their mistake but simply Haulting. work on a project is Feature abandonment. Like Faction warfare.
and 2 wrongs don't make a right.

If CCP wants to increase subscription/log ins, create a viable solo activity. Since Goonswarm Shrugged started taking off, I've logged in more than I have in 6 months because it's stuff I can do either alone or with a very small group. It's easier to just pop on for 20-30 minutes, search for targets and either strike or log off. Going on a fleet sometimes takes 3 hours, which I don't have time for a lot of the time.

I know that EvE is an MMO and supposed to revolve around teamwork, etc. and holding sov as well as small gang roams still requires that, but providing viable solo activity that isn't running repetitive missions and such would help get people back into the game.

Both should be worked on IMO. FiS (hate the term) should have priority. This is CCPs plan from what I understand. Dropping ambulation completely makes CCP look even more unstable and desperate than the initial underdeveloped attempt.

Yelping that further ambulation developement will kill Eve strikes me as hyperbolic in light of no official intended direction iterated by CCP. FiS first and foremost? Yes. Making up clever analogies to further ambulation developement being like this or that without knowing where CCP could take it? Meh. I could easily compare FiS to being like playing with Barbie cars with guns mounted on them but that's not going to get us anywhere short of an unproductive flame war.

CCP, FiS first and always first, but don't be afraid to play with new ideas. Just test them and flesh them out.

Work on WIS is not complete – I think a better way to describe it is to say it is at a dead end. The performance with a single avatar in a single room is so resource intensive that it is obvious that it cannot be scaled to encompass multiple avatars in the same room. The engine needs huge development to reduce the amount of system resources it needs, if it is possible at all.

I would agree with you that dropping everything to switch one thing to another is not good, except they already did it two years ago. They now have to catch up on all of the FiS stuff they have ignored for two years.

Finally, I would like to point out that WIS was never about EVE. CCP had no actual plans to implement any gameplay whatsoever, just some nebulous “wouldn’t it be cool if…” ideas they had floated. WIS was always nothing more than a test of the graphics engine for WoD.

I am sure that WoD will be revived at some point – it is way too cool a project to just die – and at that point we may see additional WIS features in EVE. I hope that CCP have learned their lesson from this summer and they make sure that any new feature actually enhance EVE gameplay, and not just advance WoD development.

Sorry, but your attempts at insulting me only belittle yourself. Perhaps you should read through your own thread where people are indeed asking for WiS to be given priority over FiS. As well as other posts I have seen in other threads and forums.

Looking at it from CCP's perspective they will continue to work on WiS, but I can tell you what they wont be doing and that is standing on the rooftop shouting about it. The fact that quite a bit of ire has been directed at WiS because it was being done at the expense of FiS has made sure of that. Do you really think CCP does not want to include WiS concidering they have wanted it's inclusion since the inception of EVE.

Right now CCP basically need all hands on deck to deliver on their promises for the winter expansion. If they don't deliver then there may be another bunch of people unsubscribing, followed by more CCP layoffs and where do you think WiS will be then.

at the begin: why should anybody care what DO YOU PERSONALLY WANT? Don't you know Eve is MMO game. And EVERY player has rights to love or hate any feature.

Personally i don't mind FIS or WIS. I feel no pain about FiS or WiS troubles. While Eve is getting better i support this move.