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icy ghost
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-02-07 11:23:04 UTC
Calfis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-02-07 15:12:14 UTC
Lol they are calling it NOTEC Big smile
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-02-07 15:35:59 UTC
Just a pump and dump. There is no genuine price-fixing mechanism they can use here.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2013-02-07 16:09:51 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
Just a pump and dump. There is no genuine price-fixing mechanism they can use here.

its actually some even hilariously less effective if you pay attention to what they're saying

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
badposting
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-02-07 16:52:56 UTC
icy ghost wrote:
http://evenews24.com/2013/02/06/lets-talk-a-bit-about-the-neodymium-cartel/


Their math is ******
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-02-07 18:00:19 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
its actually some even hilariously less effective if you pay attention to what they're saying


I was 99% sure it was bullshit going in, and it only took me about 2-3 sentences to confirm it. Didn't read the rest.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2013-02-07 18:04:55 UTC
the best part is that everyone claimed mynnna going "you know alchemy is insanely profitable right now" was goonie propaganda

then montolio gives en24 an interview in exchange for fawning coverage and they too go "lawl just alchemize the neo and profit off of test", it's like half the article

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-02-08 05:46:58 UTC
For those of you still wondering what is happening with the price or can't get the link above to work (a google cache link can be found here)

Basically Test/HBC (and friends) are trying to follow in the footsteps of the GSF/OTech by gaining control of as many Neodymium related moons as possible to control the value of the moon materials / components and therefore T2 related items etc. According to the link above they are saying that (they are) "holding 80-85% of all the Neodymium in the game."

Naturally there was a huge buy up, followed by a huge sell off at the peak. Will the prices continue to go up is anyone's guess, though it could be assumed that if they really do control 80%+ of the related moons and are able to work together they could have some degree of control over the value and force an increase in price based on demand once the existing market stock is sold off.
Callduron
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#29 - 2013-02-08 14:01:34 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
if they really do control 80%+ of the related moons and are able to work together they could have some degree of control over the value and force an increase in price based on demand once the existing market stock is sold off.


So how would this work then? Suppose the market demand is X units and the game naturally generates 1.1X. Do they get all the Neo producers to sell half their stock at double the price? Milk the cartel for a while while warehousing the surplus?

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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#30 - 2013-02-08 14:05:02 UTC
they will make it work, or buy heavily again to make it work, they went public now its all about avoiding the shaming on kugu.

neo will go up

@JerryTPepridge
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2013-02-08 14:25:01 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
According to the link above they are saying that (they are) "holding 80-85% of all the Neodymium in the game."


i think montolio is under the impression neo is regional and is like the southwest's regional r64

hint: r64s aren't regional

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-02-08 14:57:08 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:
For those of you still wondering what is happening with the price or can't get the link above to work (a google cache link can be found here)

Basically Test/HBC (and friends) are trying to follow in the footsteps of the GSF/OTech by gaining control of as many Neodymium related moons as possible to control the value of the moon materials / components and therefore T2 related items etc. According to the link above they are saying that (they are) "holding 80-85% of all the Neodymium in the game."

Naturally there was a huge buy up, followed by a huge sell off at the peak. Will the prices continue to go up is anyone's guess, though it could be assumed that if they really do control 80%+ of the related moons and are able to work together they could have some degree of control over the value and force an increase in price based on demand once the existing market stock is sold off.


sorry about all that overpriced neod youre sitting on, bro

enjoy the plunge

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-02-08 18:44:36 UTC
Styth spiting wrote:

really do control 80%+ of the related moons


TEST and PL control more like 35% of the Neo moons. While they might actually have other collaborators as claimed in the EN24 article...

Styth spiting wrote:
and are able to work together


This is the other problem. Every extra participant is one more person who could be selling at the cost of the others, secretly or otherwise. It's very much a classic example of the prisoner's dilemma.

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Callduron
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#34 - 2013-02-08 23:52:22 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
they will make it work, or buy heavily again to make it work, they went public now its all about avoiding the shaming on kugu.

neo will go up


They can avoid shaming by saying bwa ha ha you fell for it and claiming that they sold their stock at peak and it was bandwaggoners who lost on this.

mynnna wrote:
Styth spiting wrote:

really do control 80%+ of the related moons


TEST and PL control more like 35% of the Neo moons. While they might actually have other collaborators as claimed in the EN24 article...

Styth spiting wrote:
and are able to work together


This is the other problem. Every extra participant is one more person who could be selling at the cost of the others, secretly or otherwise. It's very much a classic example of the prisoner's dilemma.



Yup, I can see that. Thanks for clarifying it.

Still Prisoner's Dilemma experiments often show people acting very cooperatively so who knows.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#35 - 2013-02-09 00:57:44 UTC
Callduron wrote:
Still Prisoner's Dilemma experiments often show people acting very cooperatively so who knows.


True Prisoner's Dilemma situations are actually extraordinarily difficult to produce in a lab (or find in real life).

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-02-09 01:57:03 UTC
There's an added element that often isn't present in "real" PD situations, too: anonymity. There are multiple participating parties but no monitoring amongst them. Likewise, there are plenty of non-participating members. As a result, it's all too easy for a participant to pass some of what they've stockpiled to an alt, dump it, and blame it on one of those non-participating members, or on "market speculators" or what have you.

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Leopold Jakuard
State Of Unrest
#37 - 2013-02-09 03:47:20 UTC
It's just another CFC vs. HBC propaganda chapter.. though it's hard to not smell the bias in this thread.
Hannah Flex
#38 - 2013-02-09 08:31:55 UTC
mynnna wrote:
This is the other problem. Every extra participant is one more person who could be selling at the cost of the others, secretly or otherwise. It's very much a classic example of the prisoner's dilemma.


I can see 7 items on your quickbar, would kill to see the whole thing Smile
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
#39 - 2013-02-09 09:56:38 UTC
You guys say the reaction is worth nearly a billion. What you guys dont realise is that its worth that much based on the fact yu ARE HOLDING THE MOONS. My advice as with all of this kind of thing. Don't invest without insider knowlage. ;D

/P

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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#40 - 2013-02-09 15:09:09 UTC
Science maths and geologies mentioned through all these posts have not yet deemed the fact that we don't know about the fact that this particular tech is Manipulated, so let me advise the population with an experimental way of testing weather manipulation has acurred or has bin accured.

I go to page one of the legitimate thread, definitely not meant to help increase prices of said good and if page 1 shar'ra matcevsovski contains a post, I immediately zoom in on the nostrils, if successful, I then take a ruler, measure the distance between the hairs in the nose then get bored or amused with myself!

EvE manipulation, that's one more way of understanding EvE manipulation.
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