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Fleet Formation for BLOB Fights

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Dante Uisen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-02-08 13:31:44 UTC
Cephalus wrote:
Adding another layer of meta game usually have the other effect.


If you have been playing for 10 years you should realize that warping in a different ranges already is part of the game, you just want to make it easier.

You are adding nothing to the game, just making it easier.

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-02-08 14:22:36 UTC
Dante Uisen wrote:
Cephalus wrote:
Adding another layer of meta game usually have the other effect.


If you have been playing for 10 years you should realize that warping in a different ranges already is part of the game, you just want to make it easier.

You are adding nothing to the game, just making it easier.


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Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
#23 - 2013-02-08 14:36:46 UTC
I want formation mining.

Like synchronised swimming, but better.

~ ~~ Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox. ~~ ~

Cephalus
Epic Logistic
#24 - 2013-02-08 14:40:32 UTC
Dante Uisen wrote:
Cephalus wrote:
Adding another layer of meta game usually have the other effect.


If you have been playing for 10 years you should realize that warping in a different ranges already is part of the game, you just want to make it easier.

You are adding nothing to the game, just making it easier.



I am not advocating this as something i want or must have, don't get me wrong on that.
I am merely toying whit the idea and trying not to be shortsighted.

Warping in a different ranges is already in the game, but in my opinion an underutilized tactic.
By making it easier perhaps it would get utilized more and make fleet fights more varied.
Also when we do this we end up in a diagonal line, maybe fleet warp formations could expand the options.
For example landing in a horizontal line to make use of more transversal.






No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#25 - 2013-02-08 16:28:10 UTC  |  Edited by: No More Heroes
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#26 - 2013-02-08 17:06:46 UTC
Formations could be made to be very useful, depending on how it was implimented.

Basically a formation can give you two types of advantages:

1: A practical advantage, meaning such things as logistics automatically placed in an optimal position within the formation or longer range ships towards the rear.

2: Artificial advantage, meaning certain bonuses for being in different formations (I'm not such a big fan of this, and if done right would be largely unneccessary).

Formations can also be done on different scales.

You could restrict formations to the squad level, which is probably the best way to start. This allows you to do things like keep logistics in the optimal position in the group when on the move.

You could have different types of formations (indeed you would have to) for entire wings or whole fleets. This would have it's biggest impact on how the fleet comes out of warp (tacklers closer to the enemy, snipers to the rear, etc.)

You would always have the opportunity to break formation when needed, and rejoin the formation when needed.

This should be obvious, but needs to be said. Breaking formation could be done on an individual, squad, or wing basis.

Least importantly to us, but perhaps most importantly to new player recruitment, it would look far more sensible and much, much cooler.


Players intrigued by EvE often have the hook set by watching either trailers or player made video's. In the latter especially an EvE battle looks like a big ball of mess, and in no way resembles what most people mentally picture a large fleet battle in space to look like (at least not in the beginning stages, although some could see it devolving into our typical chaos as the fight rages on).

Most people EXPECT to see formations of ships moving around the battle field (especially the larger ships) or in warp... and really don't think of a rolling bumping humping BALL as a realistic formation.

Even thought this is the least of the reasons for seriously considering introducing formations, this point alone should be reason for doing so.


Now if only Soundwave would come to agree... Smile

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-02-08 18:47:17 UTC
Formations were bought up at Fanfest last year and CCP were very dismissive of the concept.

Don't hold your breath.

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Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#28 - 2013-02-08 19:30:31 UTC
Let me just put on my red coat, grab my musket from the closet, and we'll go out the the field of honourable combat, stare each other in the face like men and shoot blindly at each other. Of course, London Rules will apply, and each man shall be given ample time to reload and a tea break every half-hour.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#29 - 2013-02-08 19:38:54 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
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What was that FC? I didnt hear that. Can you repeat? Wait...why was I just dropped from fleet...guys....Im Xd up again....wheres fleet now?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-02-08 21:27:34 UTC
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Thing is, except for aesthetics, fleet formations have no purpose. So why would CCP bother implementing them?


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Shamus O'Reilly
Candy Cabal
#31 - 2013-02-08 21:41:00 UTC
The only time fleet formations would need to become more than they are already (which is close to nill) is if CCP decides to put game mechanics in that would allow for accidental fire upon targets you did not wish to shoot such as friendly ships in between you and your target.

Until this is implemented there is no reason for fleet formations

"I swear there are more people complaining over "nullsecers complaining" then actual nullsec people complaining."

Corbin Blair
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-02-08 23:53:10 UTC
Sovereign Solette wrote:
I have seen the thousand man fights and they look like a mess! Isn't it a good idea to have fleet formations so at least the fight can look more cinematic :) like 2 opposing rows of ships initially at least. Or will this not work?

CCP is against the idea.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#33 - 2013-02-09 00:21:17 UTC  |  Edited by: EI Digin
There are formations in blob fights, you just can't see them easily in a screenshot.

Fleets depend on a fleet anchor, or the person dictating the "formation", to order fleet members to perform a movement action, like approach X, orbit X at 500m, align to Planet X. Then you have secondary and tertiary fleet anchors for different fleet roles, like logistics or for recons.

Positioning is one of the most important aspects of fleet warfare, and this shouldn't be taken out of the game for purely aesthetic reasons. The location of your ship on grid is not supposed to be aesthetic, it's supposed to be purely utilitarian. War isn't pretty.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-02-09 00:30:53 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The people who actually care about making pretty formations in large fleet fights are by and large not the people who are actually doing the large fleet fights.
Isn't that pretty much the standard nowadays ?
People who have no actual experience in something believe they know how to improve it.


Pretty much. To top it off, they have no idea why their idea could possibly not work.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#35 - 2013-02-09 01:14:34 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
Anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up prop mods on anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up primary is broadcast anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up


What was that FC? I didnt hear that. Can you repeat? Wait...why was I just dropped from fleet...guys....Im Xd up again....wheres fleet now?


DRAKE DOWN DRAKE DOWN OH MY GAWD I JUST GOT KILLED NO WAI DRAKE DOWN AAAAAAAA THEY PODDED ME TOO I HATE THIS STUPID GA- User was kicked from the server.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-02-09 02:52:15 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
Anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up prop mods on anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up primary is broadcast anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up anchor up


What was that FC? I didnt hear that. Can you repeat? Wait...why was I just dropped from fleet...guys....Im Xd up again....wheres fleet now?


DRAKE DOWN DRAKE DOWN OH MY GAWD I JUST GOT KILLED NO WAI DRAKE DOWN AAAAAAAA THEY PODDED ME TOO I HATE THIS STUPID GA- User was kicked from the server.


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