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Caldari wanting to change it up...

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Vetle Lochen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-01-28 22:09:15 UTC
Hi guys.

So, i want to change things up a bit. I have some experience in Caldari ships, and I really think they look the best of the bunch, and i love missiles and rockets. But upon starting again on this character after some away-time, i think i might want to change away from using missiles, as i want to do some pvping.

1) First of all; am i right in believing missiles and rockets are not that good in pvp? I guess maybe rockets could be more suited than missiles for dps?

2) Now, what ship types would you recommend me? Or rather, what race's ships would you suggest i get some skills in?

3) Does Caldari have any ships that support this turrets more than others? (You know... just in case, since i really like how they look.)

4) Any general tips for setup for pvp? (this is no biggie, as i can just search around for it a bit, but some different angles on it is always welcome.)

Steven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-01-28 22:26:50 UTC
Vetle Lochen wrote:
Hi guys.

So, i want to change things up a bit. I have some experience in Caldari ships, and I really think they look the best of the bunch, and i love missiles and rockets. But upon starting again on this character after some away-time, i think i might want to change away from using missiles, as i want to do some pvping.

1) First of all; am i right in believing missiles and rockets are not that good in pvp? I guess maybe rockets could be more suited than missiles for dps?

2) Now, what ship types would you recommend me? Or rather, what race's ships would you suggest i get some skills in?

3) Does Caldari have any ships that support this turrets more than others? (You know... just in case, since i really like how they look.)

4) Any general tips for setup for pvp? (this is no biggie, as i can just search around for it a bit, but some different angles on it is always welcome.)



1.) Missiles are still useful in PvP.

2.) Rockets can be better, but it depends on the situation and with what you compare them.

3.) Ships and race depend on what type of PvP and also what type of fleets you join. If you are in a corp that runs Amarr fleets, there is no use of you training Minmatar etc.

4.) Caldari have a missile ship line and a turret ship line.

5.) First define for us what type of PvP you are looking for. The type really dictates what type of setup you need. A solo PvP fighter has other setups then someone who flies in big fleets.
Merouk Baas
#3 - 2013-01-28 22:38:50 UTC
They look the best!? Have you seen the Moa?

1. Missiles have a travel time, and so you're not applying damage as fast as your buddies. It matters in cases where you're competing to appear on the DPS meters with others in your fleet. If you're 1 vs. 1 and you have a missiles platform, if you've tackled them and they can't get away, missiles will do damage like any other weapon system.

2. For ships, it's hard to pick one, there's no single ship that's best at everything. Best we can do is kinda give you an idea:

- Minmatar ships are usually fast, and you can fit artillery for huge one-shotting damage, or autocannons for close-in work. There's an added advantage that projectiles don't use capacitor, which means you're a bit invulnerable to neutralizers. Minmatar ships do take longer to train for, because they CAN use projectiles, missiles, drones, shield, or armor, and so you need to train all these things to keep your options open.

- Amarr ships have good tanks and the lasers don't use ammo. The battleships are nice in large battleship fleet actions, you can do damage and keep doing damage with no reloading needed. A number of Amarr ships also use drones, for operation that's comparable to Gallente ships.

- Gallente ships use hybrids and/or drones. The hybrid ships are typically blasters - short range nasty damage. They hit hard and can mount a decent tank - most are armor tanked. Drones are meh in PVP because they can be shot down or evaded, but often are the only thing that will catch an interceptor for example.

- Caldari ships use shields and hybrids or missiles. Typically the hybrid ships are set up towards rail guns, but you can put blasters if you want. They use ammo, but they can be used for long range battleship fleet combat (much like the Amarr battleships), or as either brawlers or snipers.

Now, the thing is each race has speciality ships: electronic warfare, cov-ops and recons, HACs, etc. These are often very different from one race to the next; for example ECM - Caldari, might be better than sensor dampening - Gallente, and tracking disrupting better than target painting. A recon's bonus to warp disruption may be better in a situation than another's bonus to webifying. Your fleet may require bombers of a certain kind, so they can magnify the damage type being delivered. And so on.

Currently the desired flavors of the month are: logistics ships, the various recons, the various electronic warfare, and then whatever DPS is available will do.

Newbie start-up PVP roles - scouting and tackling - can be done with any race's frigates.

3. Caldari do have turret ships; check their ship lineups, each size category should have at least one gunship in it.

4. General tips:

a. Buffer tank (armor plates or shield extenders) is often better for the short fights than repair tank (armor repairer or shield booster).

b. Fit for a role within your group and stick to it. Tackling frigates don't need guns, but do need speed and capacitor juice. DPS ships need to be able to do damage at whatever range they're intended for. Special ships need to be able to jam, repair, etc.

c. Use voice coms to coordinate your roles and what you're doing.

d. It's ok if you lose ships; don't fly something expensive, and learn from what's happening.

e. Get a hold of an EVE Ships Chart, and familiarize yourself with what the various classes do. For example: Recons - can warp scramble, webify, or ewar you at huge ranges, and are cloaky. Then when you see Arazu or Falcon in the overview, you can panic more than if you see Omen or Scythe.

Steven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-01-28 22:47:31 UTC
Merouk Baas wrote:

e. Get a hold of an EVE Ships Chart, and familiarize yourself with what the various classes do. For example: Recons - can warp scramble, webify, or ewar you at huge ranges, and are cloaky. Then when you see Arazu or Falcon in the overview, you can panic more than if you see Omen or Scythe.



Ooh the first time a friend of mine encountered a recon.

Can still remember him asking on comms why he was pointed by someone 30km away P
Vetle Lochen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-01-28 22:58:59 UTC
Thanks for quick and good answers, guys.

I think i will try and stick with my Caldari ships (yeah, i know the Moa looks bad, but look at the others! lol)

I guess in the start i will try some solo pvp just to see how that is like, but later on i want to be part of a group, and i guess i want a role where I'm either quick and maneuverable doing some damage or where i give a lot of support.

It's pretty hard figuring out what i want to do, as the looks of the ships i pilot really matters to me, but i still want to be of good use to the corp i will join.

I'm just glad I'm done mining. It was easy and safe money with the corp i was in, but ooooh so monotone. P
Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-01-28 23:01:39 UTC
Just don't be intimidated by people and play the way you want there are groups out there for everyone the challenge is finding them and there's always people willing to help. So if you have more questions just ask.

Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if you're in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. Pub Channel: Lost Souls Trading Post

Andres Talas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-01-28 23:57:02 UTC
Vetle Lochen wrote:
Thanks for quick and good answers, guys.

I think i will try and stick with my Caldari ships (yeah, i know the Moa looks bad, but look at the others! lol)

I guess in the start i will try some solo pvp just to see how that is like, but later on i want to be part of a group, and i guess i want a role where I'm either quick and maneuverable doing some damage or where i give a lot of support.

It's pretty hard figuring out what i want to do, as the looks of the ships i pilot really matters to me, but i still want to be of good use to the corp i will join.

I'm just glad I'm done mining. It was easy and safe money with the corp i was in, but ooooh so monotone. P


If you like crowd control, think about the Blackbird and the Falcon.

Caracals, the Caldari T1 missile crusier, have just had the heck buffed out fo them as well.
Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#8 - 2013-01-29 09:38:08 UTC
The caldari have some of the best PvP ships in the game.

Since you are a missile pilot, maybe you should take a look at the following ships:

- Condor: Awesome and fast tackler. Also a very good kiter for solo PvP thanks to the missiles and rockets range. New upgraded PG allows you to fit a MSEII with rockets and MWD or AB making it tanky, brawler style, or kiter.
- Hookbill: Rocket monster. With dual web anything which will come in range is as good as dead.
- Caracal: Best T1 cruiser IMHO. You can get HM and support your fleet from afar (although you must include the missile delay damage into the equation) You can fit HAMs and facemelt cruisers and BCs from disruptor range. Or you can fit Rapid launchers (my personal favourite) and roll over anything frigate/destroyer size. Also mix some T2 lights for good projection against cruisers.
- Drake: Well, is the drake. nuff said.
- Raven: Fit it with torpedoes and painters. You will outrange and outdamage any other BS with short range weaponary. (BS warfare out of fleets is a species on its own... but it is there.)
- Scorpion: bigger falcon, awesome bait and very nice fleet support.
Also some T2 ships
- Crow: second best combat inty. fit her with Lights, TD and enjoy your kitting solo PvPer
- Hawk: Fit two MASB, 4 rockets, web scram and AB. or just one MASB and dual prop. Enjoy.
- Manticore: Most fitting friendly bomber in the game.
- Falcon: delicious tears will be collected.

Of course, all races have good ships, so it is up to you to decide. But since you already have missile skills and caldari ships, that list will be a good introduction to PvP.

As others has said, PvP is more about knowing your setup, the others setup, who engage and who not. Skills matters, but as one vet said, if you are in a fair fight in eve, you are doing wrong :D
Legedric Striker
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-02-07 13:30:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Legedric Striker
Otrebla Utrigas wrote:
- Drake: Well, is the drake. nuff said.


Sorry for hijacking this thread a bit, but what exactly do you mean by saying this?

I just reactivated my account a week ago (~2.3m sp) and I currently use a T2 fitted Drake for L3 mission running and I am looking into Drakes fits for PvP to stick to the ship I am best used to.

So as you are not really saying something about the Drake I am quite curious about what's your opinion on it.

Thanks!

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Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#10 - 2013-02-07 13:58:20 UTC
Legedric Striker wrote:
Otrebla Utrigas wrote:
- Drake: Well, is the drake. nuff said.


Sorry for hijacking this thread a bit, but what exactly do you mean by saying this?

I just reactivated my account a week ago (~2.3m sp) and I currently use a T2 fitted Drake for L3 mission running and I am looking into Drakes fits for PvP to stick to the ship I am best used to.

So as you are not really saying something about the Drake I am quite curious about what's your opinion on it.

Thanks!

The drake has very good damage projection with HM or great DPS at decent range with hams. Current changes to T2 missiles ammo make her even better, since loading Rage, Javelins or Precision missiles now don't change your ship stats.

Drake buffer is also one of the best in the BC range.

If you are in a small/medium gang, you can be the bait, another DPS dealer or the Commander, since the Drake is almost always the LAST ship to be primaried.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-02-07 19:43:27 UTC
Legedric Striker wrote:
Otrebla Utrigas wrote:
- Drake: Well, is the drake. nuff said.


Sorry for hijacking this thread a bit, but what exactly do you mean by saying this?

I just reactivated my account a week ago (~2.3m sp) and I currently use a T2 fitted Drake for L3 mission running and I am looking into Drakes fits for PvP to stick to the ship I am best used to.

So as you are not really saying something about the Drake I am quite curious about what's your opinion on it.

Thanks!


A fleet isn't complete if there isn't at least 1 grunt who asks: Can I bring my Drake.

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Legedric Striker
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-02-08 07:12:08 UTC
Thank you for the answers :)

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Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#13 - 2013-02-08 07:44:53 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Legedric Striker wrote:
Otrebla Utrigas wrote:
- Drake: Well, is the drake. nuff said.


Sorry for hijacking this thread a bit, but what exactly do you mean by saying this?

I just reactivated my account a week ago (~2.3m sp) and I currently use a T2 fitted Drake for L3 mission running and I am looking into Drakes fits for PvP to stick to the ship I am best used to.

So as you are not really saying something about the Drake I am quite curious about what's your opinion on it.

Thanks!


A fleet isn't complete if there isn't at least 1 grunt who asks: Can I bring my Drake.


That is me!! :D
Corbin Blair
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-02-08 23:40:35 UTC
Vetle Lochen wrote:
Hi guys.

So, i want to change things up a bit. I have some experience in Caldari ships, and I really think they look the best of the bunch, and i love missiles and rockets. But upon starting again on this character after some away-time, i think i might want to change away from using missiles, as i want to do some pvping.

1) First of all; am i right in believing missiles and rockets are not that good in pvp? I guess maybe rockets could be more suited than missiles for dps?

2) Now, what ship types would you recommend me? Or rather, what race's ships would you suggest i get some skills in?

3) Does Caldari have any ships that support this turrets more than others? (You know... just in case, since i really like how they look.)

4) Any general tips for setup for pvp? (this is no biggie, as i can just search around for it a bit, but some different angles on it is always welcome.)


1: Not that great in PvP, no.

2: Winmatar.

3: Several. Caldari are one of the two races with 2 main weapons. Caldari use hybrids and missiles and Gallente use hybrids and drones.

4: That's quite a lot of information to post here. This is something better learned from guides and experience.
Velarra
#15 - 2013-02-09 15:11:53 UTC
3. Witn an eye toward turret based Caldari ships you might want to take a look at the Merlin, Ferox & later the Naga.
Caldari support? Blackbird, Osprey.
If you're willing to completely overlook aesthetic traits, you may want to try playing with the Moa.

4. Fit & fly what you can afford to lose, not once, twice or thrice but a good dozen times. Beyond the single fight, your logistics infrastructure will make/break your ability to enjoy pvp. More simply, - have a solid resupply plan both in terms of isk generation & getting the supplies to where your pvp oriented character is basing from.